Does the Quran Prohibit Killing


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To demonstrate that Islam does not promote violence Muslims often quote a part of the quranic verse 5:32.

Whosoever killed a person it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he has saved the life of all mankind.”

That sound pretty good.  The problem is that it is not a teaching of Muhammad. It is a quote from Judaic scriptures.

“Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.” Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a)

Killing one person is not the same as the genocide of all mankind.  It only makes sense in its context.  It is related to the mythology of Abel and Cain.  Since these two brothers were the only men at that time, killing one of them would have prevented his offspring to be born and humanity would not come to exist.

Actually despite Muslims’ claim Muhammad did not say this is his own teaching.  The complete verse is as follow:

On account of this, WE prescribed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killed a person it shall be as if he killed all mankind; –unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land– and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. And our Messengers came to them with clear Signs, Yet even after that, many of them commit excesses in the land.

Muhammad is quoting a biblical fable.  How can Muslims claim credit for it?

The problem does not end there.  Talmud is not considered to be the word of God. It is the recorded teachings of Sanhedrin, the high council of rabbis.

So why Allah says “WE prescribed for the Children of Israel…”?

The god of the Quran is claiming ownership of something he never said. This leaves us with few options.

  •       Allah has plagiarized the teachings of the rabbis.
  •      He was confused and had forgotten that those words were not his.
  •     This verse is not from God. Muhammad admitted that sometimes Satan came and whispered some verses to him that he thought were    from God. Could this verse be one of those satanic verses?
  •     Muhammad lied. The Quran is not the word of God.

I cannot think of another option to explain why Allah claims ownership of a verse that he never said.  The quote is not in the Bible; it is from Talmud and Talmud is not considered to be the word of God.

Now, this verse emphasizes that killing is bad. But Muhammad told his followers that waging war, fighting and killing are the best commerce, which will have the highest reward.

“O you who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment?  That you believe in Allah and His Messenger and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives… (Q .61:10-11)

So he had to make a disclaimer. While quoting the Talmud he inserted “unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land” in the verse. This disclaimer does not exist in the original text of the Talmud.

With this disclaimer his followers were left free to raid and to kill non-Muslims.  Those who resisted Islam and opposed it were considered to be spreading mischief.

The word mischief is the translation of the word “fitnah”, which means dissention, opposition, sedition.  If you dissent Islam or oppose it you are causing sedition and spreading mischief.  You are considered to be waging war against it.  This war does not have to be violent.  Your mere disagreement with Islam is the same as waging war against it. If you criticize Islam or preach a faith other than Islam to Muslims you are causing sedition. All these are mischief.

What is the punishment of those who spread mischief?

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.”

So the only verse that Muslims oft quote to claim Muhammad prohibited killing is from Judaism, is wrongly attributed to Allah and it contains a disclaimer, which allows Muslims to kill all those who don’t agree with Islam.

 

19 thoughts on “Does the Quran Prohibit Killing

  1. While you discus 5:32, plagiarized from Judaic scriptures, you must discuss 5:33.

    It advocated violence against infidel. 68% of Quran is direct to strike fear in hearts of non- believers.

    • Raj, I can defend Q. 5:33. Q. 5:33 wants Muslims to fight against those who fight against God and Muhammad. That’s simple, man! If one wants to kill me, I will also defend myself. If you kill a person and you’re defending yourself, you’ll not be punished for that murder. So Qur’an wants Muslims to kill those infidels who wanna kill Muslims. Straightforward!

  2. Hi Raj, you surely “know” Islam and you said:
    “Allah has plagiarized the teachings of the rabbis”. Quran says, Allah is able to do all things and teaches man by pen!
    “He was confused and had forgotten that those words were not his”. Allah never gets confused!
    Then you said, “This verse is not from God. Muhammad admitted that sometimes Satan came and whispered some verses to him that he thought were from God. Could this verse be one of those satanic verses?” Nay Quran says so nowhere…give us a verse from the Quran where Muhammad(pbuh) admitted that sometimes Satan came and whispered some verses to him that he thought were from God, okay?
    “Muhammad lied. The Quran is not the word of God”. Only for the believers Quran IS the ultimate Guidance and Mohammed(pbuh) is not Worshiped but Allah.
    So, what is wrong with 61 : 10-11 when the punishment for treason and mischief makers against Islam and Prophet is thus? Do you want that verse to become lenient as turning the other cheek? Beta……Islam will never be soft on enemies of Islam, ever?

    • Respected Plum,

      In your above comment you said, ““Allah has plagiarized the teachings of the rabbis”. Quran says, Allah is able to do all things and teaches man by pen!
      “He was confused and had forgotten that those words were not his”. Allah never gets confused!”

      Brother, so you tell me why Allah quoted something which was neither revealed in past to any prophets, as Muslims claim each and every prophet was sent by Allah, nor it was his original idea. So why did Allah quoted Judaic scriptures? How does it bother whatever Allah says in Quran, whether he teaches man by pen or not, still how will you prove that the verse 5:32 is his original concept??

      Now when the verse 5:32 is not his original, what may be the reason, due which it is in a book, which is claimed to be revealed word by word by GOD..

      Now the third scenario is not for people like you, as I have asked you many times, what is the real Sunnah of prophet Muhammad, anyways let me inform you that it is mentioned in his Sirat, where he accepted that sometimes Satan came and whispered some verses to him that he thought were from God.

      Next you said, ““Muhammad lied. The Quran is not the word of God”. Only for the believers Quran IS the ultimate Guidance and Mohammed(pbuh) is not Worshiped but Allah.”

      You still need to prove first that Quran is a word of GOD, without using anything except Quran, cause I know you will ultimately lead to some circular reasoning, which we have already discussed for long time, and you were really unable to prove Quran is word of GOD.

      Lastly commenting on verse 61:11, which reads:-

      [It is that] you believe in Allah and His Messenger and strive in the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is best for you, if you should know.

      Kindly prove me,that the verse is talking about fighting to mischief makers and those who are against Islam? From where you got this context, or this is your own made up context??

      Regards

      • Hi Dearest Raj, I don’t defend Quran as it does not need any defense!
        It is preserved by Allah the Creator.
        Quran is for those people who believe in it. It is a matter of faith. Who am I to caste doubts in other peoples’ Scriptures when I don’t believe in them? Why should I take panga against others? I respect all as I believe in Be Good, Do Good.
        Muslims believe in the Quran as Word of Allah and that Mohammed was His Messenger.
        One can never succeed with obscure messages, even if true, to distort a belief in the minds of fore-set (of belief) by depicting that faith as bad through mockery and jest, due to an inherent fear of that particular faith, as is done here!
        The resultant effect will be like minds attractions and complete evasion by those for who the message remains to tow as a fish line. Where is the bait, the coated creamy sweet chocolate as on an arsenic pill?
        I don’t believe in anything but Be Good, Do Good.

        Regards

        Plum

        • Dear Plum,

          IN you above comment you said, “I don’t defend Quran as it does not need any defense! It is preserved by Allah the Creator.”

          I would like to say two things about this statement, first is that Quran do needs defense, and it needs defense very badly, that is the reason why we have thousands of Islamic scholars crying aloud to critics of Islam, to read and understand Quran as they understand. There are thousands of websites to defend Islam and Quran. Even you are commenting here since so many days, just to defend Islam, and Quran.

          Now coming to the second thing, which you said that Quran is preserved by Allah, have you got any proof or evidence to validate this claim? Do bring Quranic verses, because they mean nothing to me. Do you have any rock solid evidence. Because I see Quran to be lost after death of Muhammad. Also please give me some knowledge how and when Quran was collected, with source of your information. I know for sure, you will skip this topic, but anyways I will wait for you clarification about this.

          Next you said, “Who am I to caste doubts in other peoples’ Scriptures when I don’t believe in them? Why should I take panga against others? I respect all as I believe in Be Good, Do Good.”

          Well said, you are no one to take panga, or caste doubt, but what if the People of some particular religion is killing you/your family/ and other innocent people in name of their religion. This you know for a fact, that Muslims are the brand ambassador of terrorist, they hold this brand now at-least. What you will do, if their scripture abuses you, and ask its followers to kill, rape, murder in name of their GOD? I am no one to caste doubt, but why can’t I? If you believe your religion to be true, and God revealed, why are you afraid of doubts and tests? That’s all for your above comment, don’t forget to reply in next message, what I have asked many a times..

          Regards

          • Hi Raj, you are very intelligent!
            Kindly refer to Islamic history sites as I intend not to copy paste.
            Quran is for the believers called Muslims and Mohammed is His Messenger. The religion Islam is for the believers and not for the non believers or mockers. If you disbelieve in Quran then you are a disbeliever and you will not be killed or taken to task for not being a Muslim. Quran is for the believers.

            Regards
            plum

        • Hi Chandan, fortunately Sura 109 saves me from ridiculing others’ good Faiths!
          Do you know of any verse from your Scriptures which is so explicit as Sura 109?

          regards

          Plum

          • BTW, Mr. plum, as far as Indian scriptures are concerned , I believe only in the Shruti not on others like PuraNa.

            If Sura 109 saves you from ridiculing others’ good Faiths then what does the Quran 2:69, 70, 71 , and Quran 9:5 etc command to you brother ?

        • Hi Dear Chandan, Muslims in general and I for one do respect all the people who believe in Be Good, Do Good….irrespective of their beliefs whatsoever!

          You asked me regarding 2 : 69-71, right?
          They refer to Moses(pbuh) and his people.

          Then you also asked about 9 : 5 and You may notice that those verses are for that time, when the Quran was under revelation and Islam had just sprouted. To understand Quranic verses one should not read out of context but refer to a few verses before and also after.
          From those verses, it is noted that there was an agreement, a Treaty(9:4) between the two parties viz Mushriks and early Muslims. But the Mushriks violated the Treaty(9:4) so Allah gives freedom from the oath of the Treaty, (9-1) to retaliate in like manner with an option of forgiveness to Mushriks by Muslims.(9:5).

          What is wrong with that?

          Regards
          Plum

          • Could you please provide the spiritual interpretation of following lines of The Holy Quran?:-

            And [recall] when Moses said to his people, “Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow.” They said, “Do you take us in ridicule?” He said, “I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant.” 2:67

            He said, “He says, ‘It is a cow neither trained to plow the earth nor to irrigate the field, one free from fault with no spot upon her.’ ” They said, “Now you have come with the truth.” So they slaughtered her, but they could hardly do it. 2:71

            Translation provided by Sahih International. http://quran.com

          • Dear Plum,

            I your above comment you said, “Muslims in general and I for one do respect all the people who believe in Be Good, Do Good….irrespective of their beliefs whatsoever!”

            I can accept that you respect all people, who believe in Be Good, and Do Good, but when it comes to Muslim in general, its very hard to accept it. Take for ex. Saudi Arabia, they don’t respect all people’s faith, they only accept Islam. We have many such example of Islamic countries and Muslims, who only believe in Islam and Muslims to be Good. I guess you are an exception…

            Next you said:-

            “Then you also asked about 9 : 5 and You may notice that those verses are for that time, when the Quran was under revelation and Islam had just sprouted. To understand Quranic verses one should not read out of context but refer to a few verses before and also after.”

            If you say that these verses were for that time, then why it is still in Quran?? Was it revealed for Muhammad exclusively? I guess Quran according to Muslims a guide for the mankind, then how can be this verse be for a specific time and period… I agree that we should read the Quranic verses with context and even if we read it with context, the message is same. Lets see that again.

            Next you said:-

            From those verses, it is noted that there was an agreement, a Treaty(9:4) between the two parties viz Mushriks and early Muslims. But the Mushriks violated the Treaty(9:4) so Allah gives freedom from the oath of the Treaty, (9-1) to retaliate in like manner with an option of forgiveness to Mushriks by Muslims.(9:5).

            What is wrong with that?

            This is called Holy lying, and you don’t even follow what you say, please read the verses with context, how can you bring verse 9:4 directly, start it with 9:1, which says:-

            [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.

            Allah starts this chapter with disassociation of the treaty. Which makes your statement wrong that the Idolaters broke the treaty. It is further said in Quran, 9:2 and 9:3. Even the verse you quoted, 9:4 says that the idolaters didn’t broke the treaty, read the verse again:-

            Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

            Where you find Non-Believers breaking the treaty?? The verse saying that those Non-Believers who didn’t broke the treaty will be safe for 4 months..

            Now you see how Quranic commands Muslims to be Monsters..

            Regards

      • Hi Dear Raj, the reply icons are a miss once more! So, I will answer you from here.
        You asked, “If you say that these verses were for that time, then why it is still in Quran?? Was it revealed for Muhammad exclusively? I guess Quran according to Muslims a guide for the mankind, then how can be this verse be for a specific time and period… I agree that we should read the Quranic verses with context and even if we read it with context, the message is same”.
        My dear bro, the Quran has all the verses revealed to Mohammed(pbuh), in that duration and no verse can be expunged from the Quran!
        So, those verses remain there to give an insight of the past as well as set a precedent, for all ages to come!

        Kind Regards
        Plum

        • Dear Plum,

          Thanks for your above comment, well ass your above comments says:-

          Quran has all the verses revealed to Mohammed(pbuh), in that duration and no verse can be expunged from the Quran! So, those verses remain there to give an insight of the past as well as set a precedent, for all ages to come!

          Please inform me, on which authority you are claiming that Quran 9:5 was for that specific time, because I know for sure that majority of Muslims and Scholars too won’t agree with you. Even if that verse was for specific period of time, still it proves that Allah commands Muhammad to kill innocent people if they don’t convert. Now if you say that the verse was revealed for defensive attack, I’ll ask you to bring the proper context, and historical records…

          Thanks

          • Hi Dear Raj, thanks for your time in responding.

            As I had put a disclaimer earlier in that I give my personal opinions here, now I would like to stress that whatsoever opinions I give are mine.

            Coming to your question, “Please inform me, on which authority you are claiming that Quran 9:5 was for that specific time, because I know for sure that majority of Muslims and Scholars too won’t agree with you. Even if that verse was for specific period of time, still it proves that Allah commands Muhammad to kill innocent people if they don’t convert. Now if you say that the verse was revealed for defensive attack, I’ll ask you to bring the proper context, and historical records…”
            So, I answer you, from “moron” mind as I understand the verse/s to be!
            For any Islamic scholar’s views, proper context, and historical records and Tafsirs you may go online.
            Your esteemed self have not tarnished Islam a bit by throwing negative light on the verses of Quran.
            With ethics, integrity and honesty try even harder to disapprove Islam as I will try giving you my best and true understanding of the Quran and relate my opinions fairly and with
            immense respect to you.

            Be Good, Do Good

            Kind Regards

            Plum

    • Hi Chandan, It is not for me to correct or teach about Islam and interpret Quran here. I’ve told you that we should not ridicule others’ faith. Let us first Be Good, Do Good and that will put us out of animosity fostering pre-stances!
      Quran is self explanatory and for those who believe in it understand it and the very reason for them being called believers.
      Read the Quran and you will understand why it has become a religion to be reckoned with as it is for the whole of believing humanity and not for mere Asians!
      So, what is your argument about?

      Regards
      Plums

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