Long-suffering Pakistani Hindus face forced conversions, attacks


KARACHI, Pakistan –  They came after dusk and chanted into the night sky “Kill the Hindus, kill the children of the Hindus,” as they smashed religious icons, ripped golden bangles off women’s arms and flashed pistols. It wasn’t the first time that the Hindu temple on the outskirts of Pakistan’s largest city was attacked, and residents here fear it will not be the last.

“People don’t consider us as equal citizens. They beat us whenever they want,” said Mol Chand, one of the teenage boys gathered at the temple. “We have no place to worship now.”

It was the second time the Sri Krishna Ram temple has been attacked, and this time the mob didn’t even bother to disguise their faces. The small temple, surrounded by a stone wall, is a tiny religious outpost in a dusty, hardscrabble neighborhood so far on the outskirts of the city that a sign on the main road wishes people leaving Karachi a good journey.

Local Muslim residents blamed people from a nearby ethnic Pashtun village for the attack, which took place in late September on the Day of Love for the Prophet, a national holiday declared by the government in response to an anti-Islam film made in the U.S. No one was seriously injured in the attack.

It was the latest in a rising tide of violence and discrimination against Hindus in this 95 percent Muslim country, where Islamic extremism is growing. Pakistan’s Hindu community says it faces forced conversions of Hindu girls to Islam, a lack of legal recognition for their marriages, discrimination in services and physical abuse when they venture into the streets.

The story of the Hindu population in Pakistan is one of long decline. During partition in 1947, the violent separation of Pakistan and India into separate countries, hundreds of thousands of Hindus opted to migrate to India where Hinduism is the dominant religion. Those that remained and their descendants now make up a tiny fraction of Pakistan’s estimated 190 million citizens, and are mostly concentrated in Sindh province in the southern part of the country.

Signs of their former stature abound in Karachi, the capital of Sindh. At the 150-year-old Swami Narayan Temple along one of the city’s main roads, thousands of Hindus gather during the year to celebrate major religious holidays. Hindus at the 200-year-old Laxmi Narain Temple scatter the ashes of their cremated loved ones in the waters of an inlet from the Arabian Ocean.

But there are also signs of how far the community has fallen. Residents in a city hungry for land have begun to build over Hindu cemeteries, the community’s leaders say. Hindus helped build Karachi’s port decades ago, but none work there now.

Estimates of the size of the Hindu population in Pakistan are all over the map — from 2.5 million or 10 million in Sindh province alone to 7 million across the country — a reflection of the fact that the country hasn’t had a census since 1998.

It isn’t just Hindus who are facing problems. Other minorities like Christians, the mystical Muslim branch of Sufis and the Ahmadi sect have found themselves under attack in Pakistan, where the rise of Muslim fundamentalists has sometimes unleashed a violent opposition against those who don’t follow their strict religious tenets.

The discrimination has prompted some Hindus to leave for India, activists warn, though the extent is not known. Around 3,000 Hindus left this year, part of a migration that began four years ago, sparked by discrimination and a general rise in crime in Sindh, said DM Maharaj, who heads an organization to help Hindus called Pakistan Hindu Sabha.

He said he recently talked to a group of Hindus preparing to move to India from rural Sindh, complaining that they can’t eat in Muslim restaurants or that Muslim officials turned them down for farming loans. Even during recent floods, they said Muslims did not want them staying in the same refugee camps.

Other Hindu figures such as provincial assembly member Pitamber Sewami deny there’s a migration at all, in a reflection of how sensitive the issue is. Earlier this year, there were a string of reports in Pakistani media about Hindus leaving the country, sparking a flurry of promises by Pakistani officials to investigate.

In India, a Home office official said the Indian government noticed an upward trend of people coming from Pakistan but called reports of Pakistanis fleeing to India “exaggerated.” He said he does not have exact figures on how many Pakistani Hindus have stayed in India after entering the country on tourist visas. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the topic.

There’s more of a consensus of the seriousness of the problem of forced conversion of Hindus.

Zohra Yusuf, the president of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says the pattern goes like this: A Hindu girl goes missing and then resurfaces days or weeks later married to a Muslim boy. During court hearings to determine whether the conversion was voluntary, students from nearby Islamic schools called madrassas often flood the room, trying to intimidate the judges by chanting demands that the conversion be confirmed.

Maharaj says he’s tried to intervene in roughly 100 cases of forced conversions but has only succeeded in returning a girl safely back to her family once. If a girl decides to renounce Islam and return to Hinduism, she could be signing a death warrant for herself and her family even if her conversion was forced.

The Hindu community has also been hurt by a lack of unity within its ranks. Hindu society within Pakistan and elsewhere has historically been divided by caste, a system of social stratification in which the lower castes are often seen as inferior. Members of the lower castes in Pakistan say it wasn’t until two girls from a high-caste family were forcibly converted this year that high-caste Hindus took the issue seriously, although it’s been happening for years.

“We always fight our war ourselves,” said Bholoo Devjee, a Hindu activist from Karachi, speaking about the lower castes.

In recent months the government has begun to take the concerns of the Hindu community more seriously. In Sindh province, legislators proposed a law to prevent forced conversions in part by implementing a waiting period before a marriage between a Hindu and a Muslim can go forward, and there’s discussion about proposing such a law on the national level as well.

In the case of the Sri Krishna Ram temple, law enforcement authorities opened a blasphemy case against the people who rampaged through the building. But residents here are skeptical that these developments signify any long-term improvement in their plight. Weeks after the incident no arrests have been made, and the Hindus complain that no high-ranking Hindu officials have come to visit them or help them get compensation.

Sunda Maharaj, the spiritual leader at the temple, which was first attacked in January 2011, said he and the other residents do not want to move to India. “We are Pakistani,” he said.

But he would like more help from the government, specifically a checkpoint to stop people from getting close to the temple and money for the Hindus to buy weapons.

“Next time anyone comes we can kill them or die defending our temple,” he said.

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  2. http://www.islamonline.net

    The scholars at Islamonline discuss homosexuality:

    The Qur’an tells us the story of the people of Lut (Lot), who deviated from the natural way and got involved in this abnormality, refusing every word of advice from their Prophet Lut. Thus, their destiny was destruction and punishment. Almighty Allah says: “And Lo! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you? Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk. And the answer of his people was only that they said (one to another): Turn them out of your township. They are folk, forsooth, who keep pure. And We rescued him and his household, save his wife, who was of those who stayed behind. And We rained a rain upon them. See now the nature of the consequence for evil doers!” (Al-A`raf: 80-84)

    The eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

    “Almighty Allah has prohibited illegal sexual intercourse and homosexuality and all means that lead to either of them. This perverted act is a reversal of the natural order, a corruption of man’s sexuality, and a crime against the rights of females.

    The spread of this depraved practice in a society disrupts its natural life pattern and makes those who practice it slaves to their lusts, depriving them of decent taste, decent morals, and a decent manner of living. The story of the people of Prophet Lut as narrated in the Qur’an should be sufficient for us. Lut’s people were addicted to this shameless depravity, abandoning natural, pure, lawful relations with women in the pursuit of this unnatural, foul and illicit practice. That is why their prophet, Lut (peace be upon him) told them: “What! Of all creatures, do you approach males and leave the spouses whom your Lord has created for you? Indeed, you are people transgressing (all limits)!” (Ash-Shu`araa: 165-166)

    The strangest expression of these peoples’ perversity of nature, lack of guidance, depravity of morals, and aberration of taste was their attitude toward the guests of Prophet Lut (peace be on him), who were angels of punishment in human form sent by Allah to try these people and to expose their perversity.
    The Qur’an narrates the story: “And when Our messengers came to Lut, he was grieved on their account and did not know how to protect them. He said, ‘This is a day of distress.’ And his people, who had long since been practicing abominations, came rushing toward him. He said, ‘O my people, here are my daughters. They are purer for you, so fear Allah and do not disgrace me in front of my guests. Is there not a single upright man among you?’ They said, ‘Thou knowest well that we have no right to thy daughters, and certainly thou knowest what we want.’ He said, ‘If only I had strength to resist you or had some powerful support!’ Said (the angels) ‘O Lut, truly, we are messengers of thy Lord; they shall not reach thee….’”(Hud: 77-81)

    Muslim jurists hold different opinions concerning the punishment for this abominable practice. Should it be the same as the punishment for fornication, or should both the active and passive participants be put to death? While such punishments may seem cruel, they have been suggested to maintain the purity of the Islamic society and to keep it clean of perverted elements.”

    Moreover, Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid, a prominent Saudi scholar and lecturer, adds:

    “Islam emphatically forbids this deed [homosexual sex] and prescribes a severe punishment for it in this world and the next. How could it be otherwise, when the Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings be upon him) said: ‘Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut, kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’ (At-Tirmidhi: 1376) That is, if it is done with consent.”

    The scholars of Islam, such as Malik, Ash-Shafi`i, Ahmad and Ishaaq said that (the person guilty of this crime) should be stoned, whether he is married or unmarried.

    There is no doubt that this act, which goes against the pure human nature created by Allah, by making men content with men and women with women, destroying families, adversely affecting the birth rate, causing the spread of killer diseases, harming the innocent when children are raped, and generally spreading corruption on earth, should be uprooted and stamped out.”

    Thinking of the wisdom behind prohibiting homosexuality and lesbianism, the following can be said:

    First, such acts lead to the spread of passivity among the young generation and destroy their morality, since they cannot practice such perversion except after taking some drugs to create for themselves a virtual atmosphere where they feel fake joy. Sufficient unto any person to feel that his manhood is lost.

    Second, it destroys the lives of women whose husbands leave them in pursuit of this perversion and they, in turn, try to find a way to satisfy their sexual needs. In such case, the whole society will be no more than chaos.

    Third, it is a fierce attack on progeny and pregnancy, which increases the human race.

    Fourth, the dangerous diseases that are caused by it are unavoidable and fatal. Topping these illnesses is HIV/AIDS.

    Lesbianism

    As for lesbianism, it is also no more than a perversion and an attack against the natural relation between a man and a woman.

    There is no certain punishment for lesbianism. Still, disciplinary punishment is there for any perverted person who commits it. The Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence states:

    “Muslim jurists agree that there is no certain hadd (punishment) for lesbianism. However, they agree that disciplinary punishment should be administered since it is a sin.”

    Such an act spoils the doer’s character and make her testimony unacceptable, as stated in the above named encyclopedia:

    “Muslim Jurists agree that a witness should be morally sound. A pervert cannot be taken as a witness. Since lesbianism is an act of perversion, a lesbian cannot be a witness. Even with the jurists not declaring this openly, it can still be understood from their words and conditions.”

    Almighty Allah knows best.

  3. MUHAMMADANS ARE TURNING PINK

    Being Queer and Muslim
    By Sami

    I guess the title itself would catch many off by surprise, especially the regular Muslim students here at UTSC. Well, this isn’t exactly the kind of article one stumbles upon everyday, maybe that’s why. Right off the back, some of you may find my 2 cents interesting or insightful and then there are those of you who may be disgusted at my existence. Well, whatever category you find yourself in, I suggest to just read on and then judge! Firstly, I really don’t like using labels, but for the sake of telling my story, I have to, so that many of you out there will be able to comprehend. Secondly, I don’t intend through this article to illustrate “I’m here and Queer” and “in your face” kind of thing, but rather just to share with you how my life is like, being young, Muslim and Queer. Despite already having a stigma attached to you when you identify as being Muslim, there is a greater indescribable stigma when you identify as being queer and Muslim. Not only are you vulnerable to absurd levels of hate from other, in addition, you stand to face a major backlash from others in your own community at large. It’s like feeling isolated to even greater extents. Don’t worry, I’m not going to give the whole ‘9 yards’ or rant about the sort of dramas your life takes on when you’re queer because personally, it hurts mentally and emotionally, to unexpose healing wounds. One thing I will say is that if you were in my shoes, the mental/ spiritual anguish would just leave you feeling hopeless and vulnerable to some major depression.

    Although I exhibited and currently exhibit many of the issues that young queers face (and by using the term ‘queer’, I mean to encompass LGBQT…), what makes my experience rather different from all the others you may have heard about is that of the obvious, that I’m Muslim, but to add to that, I’m from an Orthodox (Sunni) Muslim family. Now for some of you queers out there who are from strong Catholic/ hardcore Orthodox Jewish families may be able to identify. Like any good Muslim boy/girl, I try my best to attend Mosque for Friday Services, fast during the month of Ramadan, and often pray regularly. Praying… something that I did a lot on my part, hoping that through it, God would answer my prayers and make me ‘straight’. It was that and being convinced that this was my so-called ‘test’ from God. At one point, I even began to think there was something physically wrong with me because I just didn’t “notice” girls in that kind of manner. At this other time, I went down to the Clark’s Institute for mental health on College St., hoping that they offered “gene-therapy” or some ‘special’ pills that would do the trick. I LAUGH NOW when I look back at the stupid and foolish things I did and the kind of thoughts that use to preoccupy my mind. It was mostly due to the types of values that many of us are conditioned to when it comes to viewing the gay community. Oh…you know, the usual ones: “Gays and Lesbians are bad”, “They are mentally diseased”, therefore indulging in “abnormal” behaviour, and other ridiculous views and comments that one can possibly think of.

    Now, I’m not going to cry my heart out on how being queer is not a choice, however, what I will say is that no one purposely wakes up every morning and decides that they want to undertake a serious challenge by choosing to be part of a ruthlessly despised minority. Now, you folks who have made it or are already in university, and given that you had to have a certain degree of intellect to get here, I’m assuming, but more so, hoping that you would comprehend ‘certain’ issues, like this one in particular, with an open mind and look outside the nut-shell many of choose to or are already enclosed in. Its tough enough being Queer and Muslim, and furthermore, your constantly finding yourself on the defensive, trying to educate people on their ignorance to the negative/ stereotypical vies/images the media blasts out now and then about queer folks. Well, this would be one of the things that most Muslims are all too familiar with: trying to educate people on their ignorance when it comes to Islam and its true values because the media has a chronic tendency of demonizing the Islamic world by illuminating false views and images. Not only do I have to defend my existence, but also my religious beliefs as well. At the end of the day, yes, it can be overwhelming, trying to bring light on the ignorance in your own community when it comes to this issue (being queer and Muslim) and on so many different levels with others when it comes to Islam. All this and in addition, dealing with the everyday stresses of life.

    However, coming to except myself this past year has been truly a liberating experience and it continues to be. I’m fortunate in a way because I’ve got great support, awesome friends, and mostly everything I’ve wanted in life so far, I have. Life threw me a basket full of lemons and I’m just in the process of making lemonade! I’m grateful for my experiences because they have made me come to appreciate life, opening my eyes to the many great things and the everyday miracles that have come to be a part of it all. Being queer does not mean that I have turned my back on my religion. Islam is very much a big part of my life and continues to be because it liberated me as a human being spiritually and mentally and has helped me acquire certain levels of inner peace that many are still striving for. My religion preaches the message of love, hope, tolerance, and peace; key factors that have come to play a big role in my own life as well as in the lives of most of the 1 billion people around the world who choose to practice this faith. Life is still a challenge, being queer and Muslim, but the ways I deal with my situations and the results that follow make it all worth living for. My life is neither a ‘walk in the park’, nor ‘living-hell’; its just somewhere in the middle. The challenge that’s before me now is just trying to maintain that fragile balance. As for you young Muslim queers out there, just know that you are not alone and that there are other Queer Muslims and Queer Muslim support groups and resources you can access confidentially here in Toronto, just visit http://www.salaamcanada.com or e-mail any questions you might have to: salaam@salaamcanada.com. Secondly, remember that God (if you believe in him) is full of love and is super accepting. God does not judge, people do! Lastly, as for those in UTSC’s Muslim community who will have issues knowing that among them, there is a person who’s queer , to that I say: a community that does not accept one of its own is not a community at all!

    Gay and Muslim

    As an addendum to my previous post, and in response to the suicide of a young, lesbian woman whose name — Aiyisha Hassan — suggests a connection to Islam, I want to very publicly state, if you are gay and Muslim, there is a place for you in Islam. If you are finding hostility or worse at your mosque, please contact us at Muslims for Progressive Values. We have welcoming communities in New York, Washington DC, Atlanta, LA, San Fransisco, Toronto, and Quebec, and an online discussion list through yahoo groups. Please contact the very good folks at Salaam, a support group for glbtiq Muslims in Canada, or Al-Fatiha, a US based support group for glbtiq Muslims.

    Sadly all too many gay Muslims face discrimination on multiple fronts — for their sexuality, for their religious identity, and often for their race and ethnicity. Even more sadly, often bigotry crosses lines — Muslim friends may be disapproving of any but heterosexual orientations, while gay friends may display Islamophobic attitudes, racial and ethnic groups may be biased against both Islam and non-hetero orientation — making it impossible for gay Muslims to find anyplace where they can be fully themselves.

    In closing, I would like to share a poignant piece a gay Muslim friend of mine wrote, in response to the recent suicides…

    “While not all victims of bullies are gay, lesbian, bi, or trans, the kids who are perceived as such are favored targets, and much of the name calling against victims – however they are singled out – is virulently homophobic. Even when a gay kid is not the direct target of the name-calling, the words affirm that he is the worst thing anyone can be. I don’t think heterosexuals can really appreciate the depth of the hurt when a child – having heard over and over again the most hurting, hateful, insulting words that others use – figures out that he or she really is that horrible thing that the most hated people are accused of being. Then when you hear your own parents, teachers, clergy and other respected adults repeating those hateful words and phrases, when you’re carrying the secret that they are talking about you and you’re the most awful thing in the world, sick, sinful, disgusting, criminal… It’s really no wonder that kids decide they’d rather die.”

    Surely no one should ever be made to feel that way.

    BY PAMELA K. TAYLOR | OCTOBER 14, 2010; 12:28 PM ET

    Welcome to the website of Salaam: Queer Muslim Community of Canada. Salaam is an organization dedicated to Muslims who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transsexual/ transgender and or intersex, as well as those questioning their sexual orientation or gender identity, their families and friends.

    Salaam Canada: Queer Muslim Community joins CAIR-CAN Declaration: Canadian Muslims Issue Call to Action to Eradicate Domestic Violence .

    Read the full article here: CAIR CAN Press Releases

    Chapters
    Salaam Toronto
    Salaam Vancouver
    ** Please contact us if you are interested to open Salaam’s group at your city, at salaamtoronto@salaamcanada.com

  4. Hi Dear Raj,

    If for any any atrocities committed by any person/s, towards innocent, be he/she follows whatsoever religion then that person/s should be brought to justice and be executed. It is against the Quran and all other scriptures!

    Kind regards

    Plum

    • Dear Plum,

      You said, “If for any any atrocities committed by any person/s, towards innocent, be he/she follows whatsoever religion then that person/s should be brought to justice and be executed. It is against the Quran and all other scriptures!”

      Dear I don’t know about any other scripture, but certainly it is not against Quran, I have many a times posted this verse, and once again I have to, for which you had no explanation. The verse is from Quran Ch9, verse 5 which says:-

      And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

      I guess how this god is merciful…

      Regards

  5. Where is the Muhammadan PLUM?

    Has the cat got his tongue?

    Funny how these Scum Muhammadans always run for cover, when they are exposed for the THUGS they are!

    MUTT & AISHA

    “Hi, my name is Aisha and I have a very cute butt. Mutt fancied screwing my butt, but I was only 6 years of age, so my Daddy said to Mutt, “You can screw her butt, but you’ll have to wait until she is 9 years of age. Of course that’s if you’re able! Knowing you, Mutt, you’re all out of ammunition and are only firing blanks.”

    Mutt said, “I’ll use my head and give her head”! “That will keep her happy”!

    “Mutt had a terrible problem with his Plonker. It kept going off before he could screw my butt. I had the job of cleaning his cum from off his clothes, before he went to the mosque to pray.”!

    AISHA WASHING SEMEN FROM MUHAMMED’S CLOTHES

    From the Hadith of Bukhari:

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

    Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

    I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:

    Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:

    I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

    From the Hadith of Bukhari:

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    as above (229).

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

    Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

    I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:

    Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:

    I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

    Poor Aisha, she was NEVER sexually satisfied by a man and died a VIRGIN. Some say she poisoned Mutt to get a chance to have REAL MANLY SEX and who could blame her.
    She was aware of Mutt’s character!

    THE REASON WHY MUSLIMS ARE SENSITIVE ABOUT MUHAMMAD.

    Muhammad was a cross-dresser, used eyeliner and dyed his hair with henna. Muhammad had a homosexual relationship with Zihir. Muhammad liked men to kiss his whole body. Muhammad complained to Allah that he had a problem with impotency. Allah sent the angel Gabriel with a special kind of “Viagra” in the form of food. From the 66 women he had in his harem, he never produced offspring. The only children born in his marriage to Khadiga, were born in the Jaheliya (Ignorance) period before Islam, where the practice of exchanging wives was widely spread. This was banned in the Quran sura 33:52.

    Aisha’s Trick.

    Aisha liked to have boyfriends and got into serious trouble with one of them, Safwan. She spent a night with him, while their caravan continued on in its journey. The next morning they had to rush to catch up, but were discovered missing. Muhammad had to get a “special” revelation to protect her from being charged with adultery. She must have like being with real men, because she thought up a plan – ADULT SUCKLING!

    If women suckled men, they were classed as relations and so could be in the same room with women, when the husband wasn’t around. Aisha asked her sister Om’Kolthoum to suckle her boyfriends, so they could be in Aisha’s house and no one could accuse her of adultery again.

    When you take all these facts together, you are left with one messed up Arab, who is the greatest JOKE in history!

    That gets Muslims MAD!

    • Hi Butt Sniffer,
      you asked, “”where is the Muhammadan PLUM?” So, Here I am but no Muslim is a Muhammadan. Get your facts right!

      “Has the cat got his tongue?” Instead of “dog” you used cat! Why? A mistake, right?

      Then you said,

      “Funny how these Scum Muhammadans always run for cover, when they are exposed for the THUGS they are!” You have abused me and called us, all Muslims, cowards and thugs, which we certainly are not and in fact your bias towards Muslims is strictly noted.

      Now, I would like to ask your senile self; why do you insult other people for their faith? Just for pros enabling using of an anonymous name you and you hide behind the veil of internet, that does not qualify you to use vulgarity and hate speech to spread unfounded and baseless malice towards others. I feel you are a senile, with very low etiquette and personality.

      Can an apology come forthwith from a butt-sniffer, whose mind is fogged with filthy maggots?

      Yet, you will be answered and with the last, but with very least, very tiny hope, you may fathom and enable you to jump out of hole of sickness, you have sunk in….maybe…with Allah’s Grace.

      Yet, you will be answered : All the Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths are fake and they have ruined your once good mind! Instead read the Quran! Be Good, Do Good, ok?

      Regards

      Plum

      • ALLAH BUTT SNIFFER,

        Now sit down, you ignorant Muhammadan & learn:

        “Don’t let the cat out of the bag.” (Don’t tell a secret)

        “He’s the cat’s meow!” (He’s very good!)

        “Has the cat got his tongue?” (Why is he so quiet?)

        “He’ll knock your socks off!” (He’s surprisingly good at something.)

        “Don’t spill the beans.” (Don’t tell the secret.)

        “Go with the flow.” (Do what everyone else is doing.)

        “Don’t look so down in the mouth.” (Don’t look so sad.)

        “Did he ‘kick the bucket’? (Did he ‘die’?)

        “He’s dressed to the teeth.” (He’s wearing very nice clothes and jewelry.)

        Need any more?

        MUTT & HITLER, STALIN & MAO WERE ALL SAVAGES

        Pedophilia and Bestiality In Islam
        Ibriham Nunan

        Pedophilia is legal in Islam.

        The law ordering pedophilia is in chapter 65, entitled The Divorce and qualified by Islamic law, which is based on the sunnah, the perfect example of Muhammad recorded in the hadiths, traditions. The context deals with the issue of the waiting period for divorce, and remarriage. The Quran orders Muslim men to wait a period of three months in the case of women who either are no longer menstruating or haven’t yet started their menstrual cycles.
        وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِن نِّسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُوْلَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَن يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ وَمَن يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَل لَّهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا
        (4. Those in menopause among your women, for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO MENSTRUATION. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they lay down their burden; and whosoever has Taqwa of Allah, He will make his matter easy for him.)
        (5. That is the command of Allah, which He has sent down to you; and whosoever has Taqwa [fear] of Allah, He will expiate from him his sins, and will increase his reward.) Qur’an chapter 65:4

        ISLAMIC LAW
        Islamic law is based on the rules of the Qur’an and the sunnah, the perfect example of Muhammad, the Muslim prophet, recorded in the hadiths, traditions. All Muslims are ordered to imitate Muhammad’s perfect example in thought, word and deed. They are ordered to regard Muhammad as the ideal human being and Islam as the best system for humanity forever, a system that Islamic law orders must rule the world and abolish all other religions, cultures and laws.

        The definition of the word consummate: In Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, #64, the root word used is dakhala. Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary p273: it means to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate, cohabit, to have sex with a female.

        PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAM Q&A
        (www.islam-qa.com)
        Question #22442: The ruling on marrying young girls
        Question #12708: Is it acceptable to marry a girl who has not yet started her menses?
        Answer: Marriage to a young girl before she reaches puberty is permissible according to sharee’ah, and it was narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point.
        1 Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

        And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise [al-Talaaq 65:4]

        In this verse we see that Allaah states that for those who do not menstruate because they are young and have not yet reached the age of puberty the iddah in the case of divorce is three months. This clearly indicates that it is permissible for a young girl who has not started her periods to marry.

        Question #27305: Is it permissible to marry a thirteen year old girl?
        The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) when she was six years old, and he consummated the marriage with her when she was nine, and at that time he was over fifty.

        Al-Bukhaari (3894) and Muslim (1422) narrated that Aa’ishah said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married me when I was six years old and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine.

        It was narrated from Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, he consummated the marriage with her when she was nine and she stayed with him for nine years.

        If she has not reached the age of puberty, then her father has the sole right to arrange her marriage and does not have to ask her permission. With regard to the wedding-party of a young married girl at the time of consummating the marriage, if the husband and the guardian of the girl agree upon something that will not cause harm to the young girl, then that may be done. If they disagree, then Ahmad and Abu Ubayd say that once a girl reaches the age of nine then the marriage may be consummated even without her consent, but that does not apply in the case of who is younger. There is nothing in the hadeeth of Aa’ishah to set an age limit or to forbid that in the case of a girl who is able for it before the age of nine.

        Question #8981: What is the punishment for a girl found guilty of adultery if she has not even reached her puberty – she is still a minor?

        Answer: Al-Qurtubi said: The followers of all religions are agreed that adultery is forbidden; no religion regards it as permissible. Hence the punishment for it is one of the most severe punishments, because it is a crime against honor and lineage, which is one of the five basic principles that Islam seeks to protect, namely life, religion, lineage, reason and wealth.

        Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 24/20, 21
        1 If a woman has been previously married i.e., a legitimate marriage with her has been consummated, then her punishment is to be stoned to death.
        2 If the woman is a virgin i.e., she is not married yet or the marriage contract has been done but her husband has not yet consummated the marriage with her then the punishment is one hundred lashes and exile from her country for a year. If the adulterer or adulteress is a minor below the age of puberty, then there is no punishment to be carried out, according to all scholars.

        PEDOPHILIA LAWS FROM ISLAMIC-FATWA.NET
        Question 1809
        After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question forwarded by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/5/1453 and 7/5/1421 (Islamic calendar)

        Question: It has become widespread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children. (mufa’khathat – literally translated, it means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the penis between the thighs of a child) What is the opinion of scholars, knowing full well that the prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the thighing of Aisha – the mother of believers – may Allah be pleased with her.

        Answer: After studying the issue, the committee has answered as follows:
        As for the prophet, thighing his fiancée Aisha, when she was six years of age and not able to consummate the relationship due to her small age. That is why the Prophet used to place his male member between her thighs and massage it, as the prophet had control of his male member not like other men.

        Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:

        “A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband’s house rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”

        Khomeini, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
        It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.
        Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini’s “Tahrir Al wasila” p. 241, issue number 12

        “Young boys or girls in full sexual effervescence are kept from getting married before they reach the legal age of majority. This is against the intention of divine laws. Why should the marriage of pubescent girls and boys be forbidden because they are still minors, when they are allowed to listen to the radio and to sexually arousing music?”
        “The Little Green Book” “Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini”, Bantam Books

        MUHAMMAD, THE PROPHET OF ISLAM
        PART 1 MECCA

        An Arab is regarded as an old man, a sheik, when he is fifty.
        Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old in Mecca and she joined him in Medina three years later when he was 53. He began having sex with Aisha when she was nine years old and still playing with dolls.

        This is the original story told by the ONLY valid biographers of Muhammad and Islam, Ibn Ishaq and Tabari, and the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim. Refer also to the works of the Qur’an commentators Ibn Kathir and Ibn Qayyim. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume II, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, Garnet Publishing Limited, UK. The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, 2000. pp. 93-94)

        (Ibn Qayyim Al-Juaziyyah, Zad-ul Ma’ad fi Hadyi Khairi-l Ibad (Provisions for the Hereafter, From the Guidance of Allah’s Best Worshipper) translated by Jalal Abualrub, [Madinah Publishers & Distributors, December 2000] Volume I, pp. 157-158)
        Muhammad said that he had dreamed of Aisha before demanding her from her father, and his own brother in Islam, Abu Bakr, claiming special prophets rights when Abu Bakr was reluctant to give her to him.

        Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235: Narrated ‘Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dreams. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said to me, ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.”

        Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18: Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother!”

        The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”

        Marriage to a female already offered to another was illegal in Arab law. Abu Bakr had already arranged for Aisha to marry Djubayr Mutim.
        Muhammad married A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad) translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, p. 792)

        Tabari VII:7 The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.

        Tabari IX:128 When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation. [The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community] translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7) (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, pp. 129-130)

        Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

        PART 2 MEDINA

        Ishaq: 281 When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three.
        In May, 623 A.D./A.H. 1, Allah’s Messenger consummated his marriage to Aisha. This was in Dhu al-Qa’dah (May-June 623) eight months after his arrival in Medina according to some accounts, or in Shawwal (April-May 623) seven months after his arrival according to others. He had married her in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadijah. At that time she was six or according to other accounts, seven years old. [The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community, Volume VII, pp. 6-7]

        The Prophet married A’ishah in Shawwal in the tenth year after the [beginning of his] prophethood, three years before Emigration. He consummated the marriage in Shawwal, eight months after Emigration. On the day he consummated the marriage with her she was nine years old. According to Ibn Umayr al-Waqidi: A’ishah was asked when the Prophet consummated his marriage with her, and she said: The Prophet left us and his daughters behind when he emigrated to Medina. Having arrived at Medina, he sent Zayd b. Harithah and his client Abu Rafi for us. I was sitting in the litter together with my mother, and she started exclaiming “Alas, my daughter, alas you bride! We then arrived at Medina, and I stayed with Abu Bakr’s children, and Abu Bakr went to the Prophet. The latter was then busy building the mosque and our homes around it, where he later housed his wives. We stayed in Abu Bakr’s house for a few days; then Abu Bakr asked the Prophet “O Messenger of Allah, what prevents you from consummating the marriage with your wife?” The Prophet said “The bridal gift (sadaq).” Abu Bakr gave him the bridal gift, twelve and a half ounces of gold, and the Prophet sent for us. He consummated our marriage in my house, the one where I live now and where he passed away. The History of Al-Tabari: Biographies of the Prophet’s Companions and Their Successors, Volume XXXIX, pp. 171-173

        Tabari IX:131 My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.

        Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234: Narrated Aisha:
        The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six years. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew again and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me for the marriage. Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

        ‘A’isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), whereas Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent them to her. [Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5981]

        Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.

        (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

        Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 163, 118: Narrated ‘Aisha: The
        Prophet was screening me with his Rida’ (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. I continued watching till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl who has not reached the age of puberty who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.

        Muhammad claimed that he received his revelations from Allah while he was in bed with this little girl and while he was wearing her clothes…

        Tabari VII:7 Aisha said, There are special features in me that have not been in any woman except for what Allah bestowed on Maryam bt. Imran. I do not say this to exalt myself over any of my companions. What are these? someone asked. Aisha replied, The angel brought down my likeness; the Messenger married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him; Inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket.

        Bukhari:V5B57N119 The people used to send presents to the Prophet on the day of Aisha’s turn [for sex]. Aisha said, His other wives gathered in the apartment of Um Salama [wife number two] and said, Um, the people send presents on the day of Aisha’s turn and we too love the good presents just as much as she does. You should tell Allah’s Apostle to order the people to send their presents to him regardless of whose turn it may be. Um repeated that to the Prophet and he turned away from her. When the Prophet returned to Um, she repeated the request again. The Prophet again turned away. After the third time, the Prophet said, Um, don’t trouble me by harming Aisha, for by Allah, the Divine Inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman among you except her.

        Sahih Bukhari, Hadith Number: 2393 Volume Title, Grace and its Virtues. Chapter Title, What was Granted to the Companions and the Wives. Narrated by Ismail, narrated by his brother, narrated by Sulaiman, narrated by Hisham Ibn Urwah, narrated by his father, narrated by Aisha, who related that the wives of the prophet were divided into two groups. One group consisted of Aisha, Hafsa, Safiya and Sawdah while the other group consisted of Um Salamah and the rest of the women that belonged to the prophet. The Muslims had learned of the great love that the prophet had for Aisha so that if one of them had a gift he desired to give to the prophet, he would delay giving it until the prophet came to Aisha’s house. Then the group who sided with Um Salamah came to Um Salamah and asked her to tell the prophet that he should command the people that if any of them had a gift to give to the prophet, they should give it him in whatever house of his wives the prophet was in at the time. So Um Salamah went and talked with the prophet but he did not respond to her. When the group asked her what the prophet said she told them that he did not respond. So they asked her to go talk to him again until he responds. Then the prophet said to her, “Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was wearing a woman’s clothes (Thowb) except that of Aisha. http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=2393&doc=0

        Years later, fat and elderly, Muhammad wanted to claim A BABY GIRL.

        Ibn Ishaq: Suhayli, 2.79: In the riwaya of Yunus Ibn Ishaq recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummul-Fadl) when she was baby crawling before him and said, “If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her. (ref.10, p. 311)

        Muhammad saw Um Habiba the daughter of Abbas while she was fatim (age of nursing) and he said, “If she grows up while I am still alive, I will marry her.” (Musnad Ahmad, Number 25636)

        If there are no children available, an animal will do:

        A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
        Khomeini’s book, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
        “If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.”

        The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political,
        Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47
        After going through articles of this kind, I am convinced about five facts.

        1. Islam is not a religion. A mafia manual drawn up by a sick and pervert criminal took the shape of a religion on account of the immense benefits it bestows for crimes and criminal conduct.

        2. The cult practices are highly suitable to men who relish and enjoy violence and crime. Women are treated a shade above animals and sexual repression is the key to whip up and maintain the violent frame of mind.

        3. It is next to impossible to digest the dirty sickness of the cult if rational and truth seeking questions are asked based on elementary sense of what is good or bad. It is for this reason all born followers will first become indoctrinated by the brainwashed elders in to brain dead morons and thereafter they will not find any difficulty in following dirty and sick cult practices as divine ordered way of life.

        4. The natural scope for pedophilia, violence and crime will make it as number one attraction to criminals of other religions. This is the reason as to why criminals serving in prisons find this cult so attractive and join in numbers.

        5. This is the dangerous threat of all. The scope to marry off girls at very young age sets up the stage for population explosion. Absence of other pursuits and joys of life in a slavish cult of subjugation forces the married in to a fertile factory of human production. Only a total war or extraordinary food shortage can halt this explosive growth. In all probability, they will breed like rabbits and over run the world within 50 to 100 years. This is the way they are going to mighty please their satanic God.

    • Hi, butt sniffer, I thought you had improved, from the last quality to the 1st quality but you can’t debate, as there is a lack of grey substance upstairs, replaced by pungent smelling pheromones from the butts of animals sniffed!
      Stop quoting lusty fake Hadiths and instead give your filthy alleges from the Quran!

      No regards

      plum

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