Pakistan: Police prevented Ahmadis from sacrificing animals on Eid as they are Non-Muslim

[PTI] Lahore: Police on Thursday stopped members of Pakistan’s minority Ahmadi community from slaughtering animals here on Eid-u-Azha after Muslim clerics complained that the ritual of animal sacrifice “is an Islamic injunction whereas Ahmadis are non-Muslims”. download (17)

Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya Pakistan Punjab spokesman Amer Mahmood told PTI that the Ahmadi community could not “sacrifice the animals” on Eid days in Krishan Nagar (old Lahore) and Sabzazar areas after local Muslim clerics made an announcement in mosques that the Ahmadis were following Muslim rituals.

As the tension between Muslims and Ahmadis gripped the areas, the police were also called.

The police reached there and instead of stopping the locals from intervening in the affairs of the minority community took Ahmadis into their custody.

However, on the intervention of the elders of the Ahmadis the police set them free, Mahmood said.

“We gave a written undertaking that the Ahmadis would not sacrifice any animal,” he added.

This was the fourth such incident in Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province.

Pakistan’s Ahmadis consider themselves Muslim but were declared non-Muslims through a constitutional amendment in 1974.

A decade later, they were barred from proselytising or identifying themselves as Muslims.

Some 1.5 million Ahmadis live across the country.

Earlier too, Ahmadis have faced police action in Lahore.

On September 22, Punjab Police demolished the domes of two mosques of the minority sect in central Punjab province.

They also whitewashed Quranic verses painted on the mosques in Sialkot district, Ahmadi leaders alleged.

Earlier, police had demolished domes and removed plaques from graves of Ahmadis in Lahore, Kharian and Hafizabad districts at the “request” of Muslim clerics.

8 thoughts on “Pakistan: Police prevented Ahmadis from sacrificing animals on Eid as they are Non-Muslim

    • MM, I think you meant to say, “Pakistan Government has NO right to declare a Muslim as a non-Muslim”, correct?

      The question to you remains : What if Muslims deviate from the teachings of the Quran?

      • Plum, if a Muslim deviates from the teachings of Qur’an, he’s not a non-Muslim. Moreover, everyone has his own interpretation of Qur’an. If you think that deviation from your interpretation of Qur’an is infidelity then you’re an infidel as well. 😀 Am I right, pal? 😉 A non-Muslim is the one who doesn’t believe in what God wants us to believe in, in Q. 2:177. Refer to the Hadith of Gabriel as well.

        • Dear MM, any person who deviates from the teachings of the Quran and divides Muslims by claiming himself to be a certain Prophet falls in the category of Apostasy.

          The punishment for apostasy in Quran is very severe just equal to a treason offence in any given country. That person should be dealt with accordingly.

          However, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Quran strictly, eg. they drink hidingly, engage in illicit sex, backbite, don’t pray, that is they pretend to follow Islam. Such people are classified as Hypocrites.

          The punishment for both is as follows :

          (Apostates and disbelievers)
          Quran 5:33 Pickthall: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.

          Quran 57:13 Pickthall: On the day when the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women will say unto those who believe: Look on us that we may borrow from your light!

          You said, “Moreover, everyone has his own interpretation of Qur’an”, correct?

          Quran is ONE in Arabic for ALL the Muslims and has NO different interpretations or to be interpreted any differently from what it conveys. Is that clear?

          Next, you said, ” If you think that deviation from your interpretation of Qur’an is infidelity then you’re an infidel as well”, right?
          But how did you jump to the conclusion that I’m interpreting it any differently?

          And you funnily added : “Am I right, pal?”
          No You are wrong….Pal, because you would be an infidel if you misinterpreted the verses of the Quran to suit to your whims!!

          • Indeed, Plum, if someone claims to be a prophet then he is surely a non-Muslim but Ahmadis believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his descendants) was the seal of the prophets. They deem Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be Jesus Christ who was to return. This makes them deviants but not non-Muslims because there are certain factions in Islam which believe that their main-leader was Mahdi/Christ.

            What’s the punishment for apostates? This is a controversial issue as well. I studied Qur’an and, like many scholars of Islam (e.g. Javed Ahmad Ghamidi). came to this conclusion that there’s no penalty for apostasy in Islam. Islam allows freedom of religion (Q. 2:256). According to Qur’an (Q. 5:32), it’s not allowed to kill anyone but because of two reasons i.e. murder or insurgency. Thus, there’s no penalty for apostasy in Islam. As for hadiths so I can bring a hadith according to which, a Jew convert to Islam left it before the Prophet but the Prophet didn’t order to murder him.

            I’m sorry but you’re interpreting Q. 5:33 entirely wrong. It deals with warriors. Obviously, if someone is at war against us, we’ll defend ourselves by fighting against him. But if someone leaves Islam without waging war, Q. 5:33 has nothing to do with him.

            Plum, that’s bizzare and unexpected from your side. Are you saying that others have to follow your interpretation of Qur’an? Take Q. 33:33 as example. How’ll you interpret it? On what basis will you interpret it? By which means will you prove yourself? Pal, Qur’an is the same but people differ in its meanings. Shia Muslims have their own exegesis and Sunni Muslims have their own.

            You said, ‘you would be an infidel if you misinterpreted the verses of the Qur’an to suit to your whims’. OK, I agree. But the question is: ‘How can you say that my interpretation is wrong and how can I label your one as faulty?’

          • Hadith about Ali burning apostates:

            First narrator: محمد ابن الفضل السدوسي أبو النعمان البصري

            وقال ابن سعد : من أهل مرو متروك الحديث
            Ibn Sa’d said that his hadiths should be abandoned.

            وذكره البخاري في ” الضعفاء الصغير ” وقال : سكتوا عنه
            Bukhari mentioned him in ‘Less Weak Narrators’ and said that he was silent about him.

            وذكره أبو زرعة الرازي في ” أسامي الضعفاء ”
            Abu Zar’a al Razi mentioned him in ‘Names of the Weak Narrators’.

            وقال الترمذي : ضعيف
            Tirmidhi said that he was weak.

            وكذلك قال أبو نعيم عندما ذكره في ” الضعفاء ”
            And Abu Na’im said the same when he mentioned him in ‘Weak Narrators’.

            Second narrator: حماد ابن زيد

            ثقة ثبت فقيه
            (Ibn Hajar said) Trustworthy and a jurist.

            Third narrator: أيوب ابن أبي تميمة كيسان السختياني

            ثقة ثبت حجة
            (Ibn Hajar said) Trustworthy and evident

            Fourth narrator: عكرمة بن أبي جهل

            He embraced Islam after the Conquest of Mecca which shows that he was not an ardent supporter of Islam and, just like other infidels, didn’t accept the truth of Islam heartly.

  1. In 1889, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad laid down the foundation of his community, which was later given the name of the “Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at”.(wiki)

    The Quran says 33:40 : Pickthall:

    “Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things”.

    So this Mirza dude went against the Quran. Why?????????

    Religious tolerance but NOT religious division is allowed by the Quran!

    3:103 “And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided”.

    Anybody who tries to divide Islam and evade the teachings of the Quran should be strictly dealt with accordingly….as that would bring lasting harmony for the sake of unity in Islam!

  2. I know back in 1974 the Pakistan Constitution was changed so as to declare Ahmadi non muslims. So why they still have to pretend they are muslim. Its about time they revert back to Hinduism or Sikhism from where they originated. Ahmadias are also discriminated in other muslim countries like Malaysia .

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