Afghanistan ‘plans to reintroduce public stoning as punishment for adultery’


[Telegraph.Co.Uk] Afghanistan is planning to reintroduce public stoning as punishment for adultery 12 years after the Taliban was ousted from power, according to a new draft penal code.

Human Rights Watch calls on international donors to withhold funds if government presses ahead with controversial new law to bring back stoning

Human Rights Watch calls on international donors to withhold funds if government presses ahead with controversial new law to bring back stoning

The move has shocked human rights campaigners and will dismay donors who have poured billions of pounds into the country for reconstruction.

It will be viewed as another backwards step at the end of a year that has seen women’s rights undermined, with a slew of legislation and murders of prominent women.

Human Rights Watch called for international donors to withhold funding if the government goes ahead with the plan.

“It is absolutely shocking that 12 years after the fall of the Taliban government, the Karzai administration might bring back stoning as a punishment,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at HRW.

“President Karzai needs to demonstrate at least a basic commitment to human rights and reject this proposal out of hand.”

The draft — devised by a working group led by the justice ministry, parts of which have been obtained by The Telegraph — states that unmarried adulterers should be subject to 100 lashes. If they are married, the punishment is stoning in a public place.

Death by stoning was used as punishment for adultery during Taliban rule, a brutal period which included bans on radio, television and music and ended in 2001 when Nato forces seized Kabul.

Since then, human rights – and women’s rights in particular – have frequently been cited as a measure of progress under the government of President Hamid Karzai.

His government signed up to international human rights conventions and the current penal code does not allow stoning as a punishment.

Critics have warned that progress is fragile and is being undermined in an attempt to placate conservative power brokers and maybe even pave the way for a deal with the Taliban as Nato forces leave the country during the next year.

In May, the country’s lower chamber revised the country’s electoral law, ditching the guarantee that at least a quarter of seats in each of 34 provincial councils be reserved for women.

There will be no female candidate in April’s presidential election.

And parliament has never ratified a long-awaited law setting penalties for rape, child marriage and “baad” – the local term used for the giving of girls to resolve disputes.

Meanwhile, America is still trying to seal a deal with Mr Karzai to allow as many as 15,000 troops to remain in the country beyond the end of combat operations next year.

On Sunday, Mr Karzai dismissed demands from the loya jirga – a specially convened grand assembly of 2,500 Afghan chieftains, tribal elders and politicians – to sign a security agreement by the end of the year. He has said repeatedly that it should not be finalised until after next year’s elections.

The White House said Susan Rice, Barack Obama’s national security adviser, had been invited to meet the Afghan president during a scheduled visit to meet American troops in Afghanistan for the Thanksgiving holiday.

Mr Karzai has been openly hostile to his US allies and used the loya jirga assembly to urge an end to American raids on Afghan homes.

She is expected to use the opportunity to pressure Mr Karzai to accept the elders’ recommendation and sign by the end of the year – a move Washington says is essential to allowing American and Nato forces time to plan their next phase of operations.

“Afghanistan continues to be one of the United States’ top national security priorities, and this trip is an opportunity for Ambassador Rice to take stock of our efforts and meet with American troops,” said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

23 thoughts on “Afghanistan ‘plans to reintroduce public stoning as punishment for adultery’

  1. Who said Islam and muhammed did not invent anything they did. It is a blatant lie therwise . muhammed invented thighing/ amputations / stoning/raping the slaves etc etc. never say a word against him who is holy and a messenger straight from heaven

  2. THINKING & WISHING:

    See your beloved Prophet, with langer in his hand,
    Wanking between the thighs of Aisha,
    Thinking, “Isn’t this something grand”?

    See poor, little Aisha, with fear in her heart
    Cursing the Old Reprobate, crying
    As the hot cum stings her in the eye.

    See the Dirty Old Idol Allah, peeping from the clouds
    Pulling on his old Plonker
    Wishing he could be part of that!

  3. THE BROTHERHOOD OF MAN

    Saudi government’s anti-worker violence

    Migrant workers clash with Saudi police amid mass deportation raids

    13 November 2013

    At least two people were killed and scores wounded as Saudi police clashed with protesting foreign workers in a district of the capital Riyadh this weekend.

    A police statement said hundreds of people were arrested in the poor neighbourhood of Manfuhah, which has a large Ethiopian population.

    On Sunday, thousands of mostly African workers gathered in the capital to prepare for repatriation. Last week, police rounded up thousands of migrant workers after an amnesty linked to new employment rules expired.

    Officials said around 70 were injured and there were some 560 arrests. However, Ethiopian foreign affairs minister Tedros Adhanom said he had information that three Ethiopian citizens had been killed, one last Tuesday and two in the latest clashes. Adhanom said Addis Ababa had formally complained to Riyadh.

    Hundreds of foreign workers were due to leave the Manfuhah district on Sunday. Police had arrested more than 16,000 people by the end of the second day of the crackdown as they fanned out across cities, raiding shops and construction sites, al-Riyadh newspaper reported on November 7.

    The official Saudi Press Agency reported, citing a police statement, that the clashes also resulted in damages to 104 cars.

    Vigilante Saudi residents in Manfuhah reportedly joined the fighting and even detained some Ethiopian workers. Witnesses said police surrounded the district while units from the National Guard and Special Forces were sent in.

    Hundreds of African workers reportedly surrendered to police. A long line of buses took the workers to temporary housing along the airport road in Riyadh.

    The clashes followed the authorities’ implementation of measures against “violations” of the kingdom’s labour laws. Last Monday, they began rounding up thousands of illegal foreign workers following the expiry of a seven-month amnesty for them to formalise their status. Buses were used to transport undocumented workers to centres for final exit visa processing and deportation.

    Nearly a million Bangladeshis, Indians, Filipinos, Nepalis, Pakistanis and Yemenis are estimated to have left the country in the past three months. More than 30,000 Yemenis have reportedly crossed the border into Yemen in the past two weeks.

    Four million other migrant workers obtained work permits before last Sunday’s deadline.

    Saudi Arabia has the largest economy in the Arab world. However, the authorities have recently begun to cite the 12 percent official unemployment rate in an attempt to justify driving out a portion of the migrant workers. Economic growth is forecast to slow to 4.2 percent this year, from 5.1 percent last year and 8.6 percent in 2011, according to a Bloomberg survey of 20 analysts.

    Bloomberg recently noted, “The kingdom has made job creation a priority after popular unrest toppled leaders across the Middle East starting in 2011.”

    An estimated 9 million migrant workers reside and work in Saudi Arabia—more than half the workforce—filling mainly manual, clerical, and service jobs. Much of this work is conducted in appalling conditions for meagre, irregular pay. The living conditions of many foreign workers are of the worst kind, with many living in densely occupied shacks.

    Last year, Saudi Arabia was the third largest global provider of worker remittances after the United States and Russia, sending US$29.5 billion in 2012, according to World Bank data.

    The oil-rich kingdom has long functioned as the linchpin of social reaction in the region. During the mass uprisings that swept the Middle East in the wake of the Egyptian Revolution of January/February 2011, Riyadh sent its troops into neighbouring Bahrain to suppress the Shi’ite revolt there and prop up the ruling Sunni dynasty. Its overarching aim was to crush all protests before they spread to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States, all of which face dissent—including from their own restive Shi’ite populations.

    But Saudi Arabia faces increasing social and political conflicts, while its rulers no longer see a way to solve via their traditional alliance with the US. Defence takes almost a third of the Saudi budget. This is set to rise in line with the Kingdom’s increasingly bellicose attitude towards Iran and covert funding of Sunni forces in Iraq and Syria.

    In addition, Saudi Arabia is committed to paying most of the US$25 billion the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) has pledged to buy off social discontent in Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, and Oman.

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  4. THE PAGAN SOURCES OF ISLAM

    As Muhammad developed Islam he borrowed from the other regional religions present in the Mideast. These religions include Judaism, Christianity, Sabeanism, Zoroastrianism, and forms of paganism. Judaism is the largest contributor to Islam, followed by Christianity, then followed by the various pagan religions, and Muhammad’s mind. These pagan borrowings constitute significant facets of Islam and this article details some of these pagan contributions.

    (1) PAGANISM IN ISLAM

    Islamic theology has some of its roots in various pagan beliefs. Primary to Islam is it’s most holiest shrine: the Kaba.

    THE KABA

    The Kaba is now the most revered sanctuary of Islam. It is located in Mecca. Muslims throughout the world direct their prayers toward the Kaba.

    PHYSICAL SHAPE

    The Kaba’s shape is somewhat cubical. Of note in the Kaba’s structure is a black rock built into the wall in its eastern corner. The black rock’s diameter is about 12 inches. It is reddish black in color, and has red and yellow particles. The black rock is kissed during the perambulation, (the circulation of the Muslims around the Kaba). The Kaba is about 50 feet high, and the walls are about 40 feet long. The facade contains the door, which starts at 7 feet off the ground, and faces N.E.. To enter the Kaba, a ladder must be used. Also built in the eastern corner, is another stone called “lucky”. This stone is only touched, not kissed.

    KNOWN PAGAN HISTORY

    Apart from Muslim myths, little is really known about the history of the Kaba. About 60 years before Christ, the Roman historian Diodorus Siculus commented that there was in Arabia a temple greatly revered by the Arabs. It is probable that he had the Kaba in mind. It was later mentioned to have existed in the 2nd century; Ptolemy, the geographer mentions it in his work, calling it the ‘macoraba’. The Kaba was a sanctuary dedicated to one or more pagan deities. The accounts of the campaigns of Abraha note that it was a place of pagan worship in the 6th century. Information on the distribution of the offices among the sons of Kusayy show that the worship of the sanctuary had developed into a regulated cult several generations before Muhammad.

    One historian (Hurgronjes) said that sacred worship may have developed around the area because the Zamzam spring was found in this waterless place.

    Pre-Islamic history tells us that many Arabian tribes were stone worshippers. This is also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, #661. The Old Testament even talks about Mideast pagan groups that worshipped stones. Muhammad incorporated the Kaba’s paganistic roots into Islam to give the Muslims a sense of identity, legitimacy, and uniqueness. He also wanted to ease the Arab’s strain of moving from paganism to Islam, by continuing the practices of their fathers.

    PAGAN GODS AND RITUALS

    There were 360 idols around the Kaba. The pilgrimages to the Kaba were all pagan pilgrimages, the ritual processions around the Kaba were part of pagan beliefs and custom, the white robes worn by the pilgrims were from pagan faiths, the veneration of the Kaba and black stone are derived from pagan rituals and beliefs. Pagans called out the names of their pagan gods as they circled the Kaba, today, Muslims call out Allah’s name. Pagans ran between the nearby hills, Muhammad authorized Muslims to do that in the Quran, and probably ran between the hills himself.

    The chief pagan god worshipped there was Hubal, who could be called the god of Mecca and of the Kaba. Hubal is not mentioned in the Quran. The goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were also worshipped there and are mentioned in the Quran.

    It is thought that the Kaba was originally set up for astral worship. Golden suns and moons are repeatedly mentioned as the votive gifts. Some pagans regarded the Kaba as a temple devoted to the sun, moon, and 5 planets.

    THE BLACK STONE

    The black stone played a prominent role in pagan worship. The pagans offered animal sacrifices there. But the idol of the black stone replaced the alter; on the black stone they smeared the blood of the sacrificed animals.

    QURANIC MYTHS

    Muhammad made up historical references for the Kaba. Muhammad claimed that Abraham and Ishmael laid the foundations of the Kaba (Q. 2:127). Muhammad claimed that God ordained the Kaba as a sacred house (Q. 5:97). Muhammad also claimed that it was the first temple ever built for mankind (Q. 3:97).

    Only Muhammad claimed that it was a place built by Abraham. In looking in the O.T., we find no mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca to build a house of worship.

    Further, the late Taha Hussein, one of the most famous Egyptian professors of Arabic literature said that the Islamic myth of Abraham building the Kaba came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. He comments:

    “The case of this episode is very obvious because it is of recent date, and came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. Islam exploited it for religious reasons”. Quoted in ‘Mizar al-Islam’ by Anwar al-Jundi.

    THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS

    Every man living in Mecca before and during Muhammad’s life had some relationship with the Kaba. If the Kaba was the house of God, why did Muhammad order his followers to face Jerusalem? Muhammad’s ‘revelation’ in the Quran says that when Allah had Muhammad change prayer directions, it was a test of the Muslims. This sounds like a lame excuse on Muhammad’s part. What’s the test? Face another direction? That does not appear to be such an incredible challenge!

    Probably the real answer is that through his early contacts with Christians and Jews, Muhammad knew that their faiths, centered in Jerusalem, where monotheistic. Muhammad abhorred polytheistic worship, consequently he aligned himself with faiths that he believed were from the true God. He selected Jerusalem as the direction of prayer. He hoped that the Jews would receive him as a prophet.

    About a year and a half after the migration to Medina, after the Jews had thoroughly rejected him, he turned the direction of prayer to Mecca – the center of pagan worship in the Arabian peninsula (Q. 2:144). Just as he had compromised with the pagan idol worshippers in Mecca, by sanctioning and worshipping the pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, so now he hoped to gain favor with the pagan Arab tribes that worshipped at the Kaba in Mecca. He authenticated the pagan focus of attention.

    After Muhammad took Mecca, he cleansed the Kaba. Inside the Kaba were many representations of the prophets. When his men began to cleanse the Kaba, and wash out the representations, Muhammad placed his hands on the pictures of Jesus and Mary, and said “Wash out all except what is below my hands”. Again, Muhammad went against his own principles, and sanctioned his definition of idolatry.

    Muhammad then sanctioned the pagan rituals concerning the Kaba, i.e. kissing the black stone, touching the Kaba, circling the structure, running between the two hills, etc. Later, Umar said to the black stone “I know that you are a stone, that neither helps nor hurts, and if the messenger of god had not kissed you, I would not kiss you”. (Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 2, #667). But then he kissed the stone. Like Umar, many other Muslims follow the prophet in their practice of veneration of a pagan idol.

    Before Muhammad, there was a group of people in Arabia who also abhorred idolatry. They were known as the Hanifites. Even the Hanifites saw that kissing the black stone was pagan idolatry. During one of the pre-Islamic Eids, the Qurayshi were worshipping their idols, slaying sacrifices, praying, and making circuits around the Kaba. Just as they did each year for this festival. Some Hanifites saw them, and stood apart from them, and said:

    “By the Lord!, our people have nothing left of the faith of Abraham. What is this stone that we should encircle it? It can neither hear nor speak, neither hurt nor help. O our people, look out for your souls, for by the Lord are you altogether wanting.”

    One of the Hanifites was Obeidallah… later he embraced Islam. He immigrated to Abyssinia with other Muslims. Later he became a Christian. After his conversion, he said to his Muslim friends ‘We (Christians) see, but you are only blinking’ – that is, cannot see plainly.

    So, why then does Muhammad kiss the black stone? Why did he incorporate paganism into his faith. There is even the Quranic story of Abraham – how he chided those who worshipped idols sura 6, 21, etc., and said it was sinful in God’s sight. Yet here we have Muhammad walking around the Kaba, just like the pagans, kissing the stone, just like the pagans. Even Umar knew it was empty and false, yet he followed Muhammad in kissing the stone.

    It cannot be denied that an entire pagan theology and ritual, was adopted by Islam, after Muhammad had one of his convenient ‘revelations’ and made it ‘religiously’ correct.

    Another Muslim myth, concerning the Kaba, is that ‘anyone who prays under the Kaba’s water-pipe becomes as pure as on the day when his mother bore him’. Muslims have a hard time accepting Christ’s atonement, but will allow for total forgiveness of sins by uttering a prayer under a spout!

    POST MUHAMMAD HISTORY

    In one of the early Muslim civil wars (a.d. 683), al-Zubayr in Mecca was besieged by al-Husayn. Husayn’s men used catapults and damaged the Kaba. It looked like ‘the torn bosoms of mourning women’. Zubayr and his men pitched their tents next to the Kaba, and a conflagration caught the Kaba on fire. The Kaba was severely damaged, and the black stone was split into three pieces.

    A short time later, al-Hadjdjadj conquered Mecca and killed Zubayr. He modified the Kaba’s structure.

    In 929, the Karmatians invaded Mecca and carried off the black stone! 20 years later it was returned.

    Other natural events (bad weather) have also caused the Kaba to need repair.

    Muslims erroneously claim that God has protected the Quran from corruption, yet their god was not able to protect his sacred house!

    POST MUHAMMAD ISLAMIC MYTHOLOGY

    Later Muslim theologians invented a number of myths about Mecca and the Kaba.
    One Islamic tradition is – according to Ibn Abbas: Muhammad said, ‘The black stone came from Paradise and at the time of its descent it was whiter than milk, but that the sins of the children of Adam have caused it to be black, by their touching it. That on the Day of Resurrection, when it will have two eyes, by which it will see and know all those who touched it and kissed it, and when it will have a tongue to speak, it will give evidence in favor of those who touched and kissed it’!

    Muslim writers also said that the Kaba was first constructed in heaven, 2000 years before the creation of the world, where a model of it still remains. Adam erected the first Kaba on earth exactly below the spot its perfect model occupies in heaven! 10,000 angels were appointed to guard Adam’s Kaba, but obviously they didn’t do a good job! God then instructed Abraham to rebuild it.

    There are a number of other myths about the Kaba. Among them are that Mecca is the navel of the world, that the Kaba was established at the creation of the world, destroyed during the flood, re-built by Abraham, that Gabriel provided the black stone. There are also legends about the Zamzam water from the nearby well.

    Some Muslims say that there are references to the Kaba in the O.T. Here are a few mistaken claims:

    (1) Muslims hope that Gen 35:4, 14, 15 refer to the Kaba. Since “Beth-El” = House of God, and that the Jewish temple wasn’t built until much later. But as the Bible shows, Bethel is a town, in Palestine – Genesis chapter 12. Also, Jacob built an altar, not a temple to God. Abraham also built an altar to the Lord in Gen 12:7.

    (2) Muslims claim that David mentions the Kaba in Psalm 84:6. If ‘Baca’ was a location, it was not known where it existed in the Bible. But a more correct interpretation, taken in context of the whole Psalm, is that since ‘baca’ means weeping, it means ‘valley of tears’. David could be saying that he longs for the presence of God, and that even through difficult times (baca) God will be with him, and will turn his tears to joy.

    (3) Muslims also think that Isaiah 60:7 “All the flocks of Kedar” refers to Arabian people worshipping at the Kaba. Reading thru Isa 60:7, it shows that Kedar’s flocks are going to be sacrificed on the alter. Are Muslims saying that Arabs were going to be human sacrifices?

    (4) Some Muslims think that since the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation is cubic, it also resembles the Kaba and thus is a prophecy of the Kaba! But the Kaba is not a perfect cube, not even close. The structure is 50 ft high, with a sloping roof, the shorter walls are 35 feet long, and the facade is 40 ft. long.

    SUMMARY FOR THE ISLAMIC RITES CENTERED ON THE KABA

    Every Muslim that makes the Hajj, every Muslim that runs between the hills, every Muslim that bestows a kiss on the black stone, is performing pagan rituals, founded on pagan superstitions, sanctioned by Muhammad himself.

    Muslims have accused Christianity of incorporating paganism, and to an extent, some exterior cultural aspects have been. But paganism is an integral root of Islam; paganism is part of it’s theology, history, ceremony, and veneration.

    My references for this section are from the original Hughes Dictionary of Islam (not the recent one that has been sanitized by a Muslim publisher), the Shorter Ency. of Islam, and the Ency. of Islam, pub. by E. J. Brill, and ‘The Sources of Islam’ by Tisdall.

    MORE ISLAMIC PAGANISM

    THE NIGHT JOURNEY

    The Night Journey describes Muhammad’s ascent into heaven. It is briefly mentioned in sura 17:1, and described in Sahih al-Bukhari, in several of his volumes, notably in vol 1, #345.

    Muhammad’s story parallels a Zoroastrian story. It is found in an old Pahlavi book known as “The Book of Arta Viraf”. The Zoroastrian story describes the journey of a saintly priest (Arta Viraf), who went into a trance and his spirit went up to the heavens under the guidance of an angel named Sarosh. He passed from one utopia (7 heavens?) to another until he reached the presence of Ormazd, the great deity of the whole universe. When Arta saw everything in heaven and that the inhabitants were very happy, Ormazd commanded him to return to earth as his ‘messenger’ and to tell the people all that he saw and heard.

    Also, the Zoroastrians taught, long before Islam, there was a marvelous tree in Paradise called ‘humaya’, which corresponds very closely to the ‘sidrah’, the lote tree of Islam.

    Finally, there is another Zoroastrian work the ‘Zerdashtnama’, which has a story of how Zoroaster himself ascended into the heavens and obtained permission to visit hell, where he found Ahriman, the Devil.

    All of these stories are paralleled in the Quran. No doubt Muhammad heard these stories and decided to put himself on a level with Zoroaster and others. So, now we have Muhammad copying the Zoroastrian stories and claiming to have these experiences.

    Again, while Muslims claim that paganism influenced Christianity, we see that paganism is part of the core of Islamic faith and theology.

    AZAZIL – THE DEVIL

    In the Muslim Hadith, the Devil has a certain name – Azazil.
    The name does not occur in the Quran. The name may come from Leviticus 16:8, 10, 26 – the scapegoat in Hebrew is Azazil. From another source it means ‘the demon of the desert’.

    There are Apocrypha Jewish books – Enoch and Apocalypse of Abraham, that mention Azazil. Islamic traditions – Hadiths develop their story. Muslims associate Azazil with the fallen angels Harut and Marut. Ibn Abbas tradition has the strongest Islamic reference developing it as Satan’s name, before the fall of Adam.

    Here is Tisdall’s view on it (taken from “The Sources of Islam”):

    Muslims take the name Azazil from the Jews, but put the Zoroastrian story behind the name. Muslims believe that God created Azazil, who worshipped God for a 1000 years while he was in the 7th hell. Then he ascended a stage at a time, all the while worshipping God. Finally, he reached the earth. Elsewhere, Muslim tradition says he stayed 3000 years by the gate of paradise, with hostile intentions against Adam and Eve. He was very jealous of them.

    Compare the above with the Zoroastrian account:

    Ahriman (Azazil) remained in the abyss, there to commit hurt and injury, and mischief and darkness. Ormazd (God) knew of his existence and plans. It went on like this for 3000 years. The evil spirit was ignorant of Ormazd’s existence, but eventually rising out of the pit, saw Ormazd’s light. Then Ahriman was filled with hostility and envy, he set out to destroy.

    THE SABEANS

    Who were the Sabeans? Why did Muhammad regard them as believers in the true God? The Sabeans are mentioned at least 3 times in the Quran:

    (1) 2:62 – “Believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabeans; whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is right, shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear or regret.”

    (2) 5:69 – “Believers, Jews, Sabeans and Christians; whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is right, shall have nothing to fear or to regret.”

    (3) 22:17 – “As for the true believers, the Jews, the Sabeans, the Christians, the Magians, and the pagans, God will judge them on the day of Resurrection. God bears witness to all things.”

    Although what is known about the Sabeans is not comprehensive, enough has been written about them to determine a basic understanding of their practices and beliefs. Most of the writings are from Islamic sources. Some of the writers are Ibn Hazm in ‘Fisal wa-Milal’, Ibn al-Nadim in the ‘Fihrist’, Shahrastani in ‘The Treaty on Sects’, and Masudi in ‘Muruj al-Dhahab.

    Ibn Hazm, writing in ‘Fisal wa-Milal’, identifies the people then known as ‘Harranians’ as the ‘Sabeans’ mentioned in the Quran. Hazm writes that they honored the seven planets and the twelve constellations, they have 5 times of prayer, (the same times as the Muslims pray), they fast in Ramadan, they venerate and turn to the Kaba in prayer. Hazm also says they also worshipped the stars and idols. Hazm further claims that Allah sent Abraham to turn them away from pagan worship, but Abraham didn’t succeed.

    Comparing all the early writings on the Sabeans, we find that they inhabited Syria, and spread from there, they were definitely pagans, having a mixture of Babylonian and Helenic religion. The ‘prophets’ they professed to follow were Hermes and Agathodaemon, who they identified in Shahrastani’s time with Seth and Idris (O.T. Enoch). Gods who were worshipped were the gods of the 7 week-days, the god of the Jinn, the lord of the Hour, the god who makes arrows fly, the god Tammuz (a variation of the one previously mentioned), Hamam the prince, the father of the gods, the god ‘North’, the lord ‘Fortune’, etc. They also kept the Eid of their own. Further, the Sabeans made star worship a chief characteristic of their system.

    So, did Islam get the 5 times a day prayer? –From the star worshipping Sabeans. What about fasting during Ramadan? – from the Sabeans. The Eid? – from the Sabeans.

    It seems very odd to me that Muhammad, the man who’s central doctrine was the oneness of God, would include pagan worshippers as those who were believers in the true God. If Muhammad were truly a prophet, how could he have made such a big mistake? How did astral worshippers get included into the Quran as those that worship the true God? How could Muhammad’s ‘revelation’ be in such error?

    It is noteworthy that just as Muhammad incorporated the pagan veneration of the Kaba and black stone into Islam, so he incorporated the Sabean times of prayer, Eid, and fasting into Islam.

    Once again, Muhammad didn’t fully know the subject he was synthesizing into Islam. I have read nothing about their doctrine that would have led Muhammad to include them as followers of the one true God he preached about. Perhaps he learned a small portion about their religion, and believed it to be right. Little did he know that under that veneer of words, lay many theological differences.

    HOURIS

    The Quran mentions ‘houris’ several times 44:50, 52:20, 55:60, 56:20, 78:33. Who or what are they? They are ‘bashful virgins’, ‘fair as coral and ruby’, ‘dark eyed youths’, ‘high bosomed maidens (big breasted)’. In sum, they are creatures put in Paradise, primarily for men’s sexual pleasures. Each man will have at least two of them.

    This concept is derived from the Zoroastrian sources. In Zoroastrian writings they are referred to as ‘Faries’ – spirits in bright array and beautiful to captivate the heart of man. The name ‘Houris’ comes from a Pehlavi source, as does the Islamic ‘Jinn’ for Genie.

    CONCLUSION

    It’s not difficult to see how Muhammad heard various sacred religious stories, and incorporated them into Islam. Perhaps he thought that parts of those religions contained truth, so he adopted what he thought to be correct. But nevertheless, part of the foundation of Islam is paganism.

  5. We can see very clearly the hidden agenda of any Islam country whatever progress they try to show to the modern world to get help and to get participating in their development work .Once it is achieved , they will go back to square one. World countries are yet to know Islam. Even India has given so much support financially, in planning and manpower to reconstruct Afghanistan, it seems to be a waste of endeavor to uplift them to the mainstream of the world. Let us not waste our resources on these incorrigible people/country when our own people are suffering and poor. It is an injustice to our people, and the politicians should realize this and act aptly immediately. These people do not want to belong to the world as we envisage but the Ummah. These are warning signs we should not ignore.

    • John bin Mark bin Luke bin Paul, there is No hidden agenda of any Islamic country to rule the world. Instead we notice clearly that such hidden agendas are propagated by the Non Islamic Nations such as the USA and its allied forces!

      The leaders of Islamic nations have their agenda to rule their States as has any other nation in the world. But leaders ARE humans…and every human is prone to success and failure, to appreciation and deposition.

      The Economic Times reports : India largest recipient of World Bank loans in 2009-10
      PTI Aug 29, 2010, 01.08pm IST>

      World Bank borrowing
      NEW DELHI: India was the World Bank’s favourite last fiscal when it came to extending financial aid in the form of loans, both among developing countries and the world’s poorest nations.

      The World Bank, through its lending arms IBRD and IDA, committed USD 9.3 billion in financial assistance to India in the 2009-10 fiscal, more than the aid committed by the US and the European Union.

      India has NO money of her own to lend but borrows and is directed to give loans to specific countries, by the World Bank!

      Who are you to say that the Afghans do NOT belong to this world…as that seems to be a very foolish remark?

      What warning signs, idiot?

      • I am happy that you included me in the group of idiots than islam. And mind you India(I did not counter check facts anyway)took loan. Not charity . we repay. Well that is not the question of the hour. You be what you are but if you want to be a human read your book indepth and life of your pornstar prophet and you will be a changed person. please convert yoursef too some human being!!!! Your Insidious remarks forced me to write this.Happy!!!!!!!

  6. YO PLUM,

    TELL US WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE AMONGST THE BROTHERHOOD OF ISLAM?

    EGYPT: Sunni Mob savagely killed Shia cleric, Hassan Shehata, and four of his followers
    hqdefaultProminent Egyptian Shia cleric, Sheikh Hassan Shehata, and four of his devotees have been killed in a brutal attack carried out by Takfiri Sunni extremists in Giza Province near Cairo.

    The attack was carried out on June 23rd (before the coup) when a crowd of several hundred assailants attacked Sheikh Shehata’s home and then set it on fire at the village of Abu Mussalam. Brutal scenes of the crime were posted on the internet, showing men dragging Sheikh Shehata’s bloody body on the street and beating him as the Sheikh chanted “Allahu Akbar.” Dozens of other devotees at Sheikh Shehata’s house for commemorating a Shia holy day were also injured.

    Sheikh Hassan Shehata, a prominent figure in the Shi’a community, two of his siblings and a student were dragged from a house, through the streets, and killed, while dozens were injured as a result of religious intolerance by residents of Abu Mussalam, in Giza.

    Bahaa Anwar, a spokesperson for the Egyptian Shi’a community, said that local residents had cheered the deaths because they believed that Egyptian Shi’as were under the influence of Iran and attempting to convert Egypt’s Sunni majority. Anwar called for human rights activists and the media to “save the lives of thousands of Muslim Shi’as.”

    It is believed this incident occurred days before 30 June demonstrations on purpose, as it marks one of the “worst sectarian incidents involving Shi’a Muslims in Egypt [in recent years]. The Shi’as believe that the Muslim Brotherhood is using them as a lesson to show all Egyptian citizens what will happen to them if they oppose the regime.”

    From the comments section: “While apathetic Americans living a world away may think this has little to do with them, it is well to realize that all this is a prelude to the resurrection of the caliphate—the chief goal of Sunni Islam, whether for the Muslim Brotherhood or al-Qaeda. And the caliphate exists for one ultimate purpose: to expand, until, in the words of Koran 8-39, “all religion is for Allah,” interpreted to mean, until Islamic Sharia law governs the entire world.”

    MAYBE M&M WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THIS OUTPOURING OF MOHAMMEDAN “LOVE”!

    • Hi Lucky bin ding ding dong, every time I see the serious look of the dude on your avatar I just laugh. Do you resemble him?? Is that a FACT?

      Do you accept the fact that it is foolish to believe in Idols which have NO hearts and to practice black magic?…, get engaged in superstitions and astrology?…, to practice voodoo? Do you accept the fact that our sisters, mothers, wives, daughters should NOT engage in public nudity and commit adultery nor in internet pornography?…Engage, in dirty gangbangs, wife exchanges and become cheap sluts? Do you accept the fact that those we see on internet porn sites are daughters, sisters, mothers of somebody?

      Do you accept the fact that our women should be well dressed and there should be some morality and code of respect? Do you accept the fact that there should be NO child infanticide, murder, killing of innocent for political or financial gains? Do you accept the fact that the rapists ought to get the severest punishment possible? Do you accept the fact that there ought to be NO subjugation of fellow humans, corruption nor stealing of natural resources of others? Do you accept the fact that justice should prevail for all and that powerful nations should NOT dominate nor try to change the future of the weaker nations but assist them come up?

      Do you accept the fact that a man should should love and respect all mankind on equal bases save for merit? Do you accept the fact that your parents, orphans, needy, friends with who you spend your precious hours over internet and neighbours should all be respected?

      Do you accept the fact that there should be a universal brotherhood?

      Do you accept the fact that there are verses in the Quran teaching all that?

      Q 33:70 : O ye who believe! Guard your duty to Allah, and speak words straight to the point.
      Q 4:135 : O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

      74:6 : And show not favour, seeking wordly gain!
      42:37 : And those who avoid the major sins and immoralities, and when they are angry, they forgive,
      2:188 And eat not up your property among yourselves in vanity, nor seek by it to gain the hearing of the judges that ye may knowingly devour a portion of the property of others wrongfully.

      Q 16:90 Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.

      49:12 O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead?
      “Do not kill your children for fear of poverty – We (Allah) provide for them and for you.” (17:31)

      And finally the Golden Verse, better than any other Scripture : Q 4:36 :

      Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful.

      Now, do you accept the fact that the Quran teaches universal brotherhood? Muslims being humans some differ due to “pollination” by the Egg-heads but the message of the Quran is loud and clear about the Universal Brotherhood, is that NOT a Fact?

      • YO DUMBEST KUFFER PLUM,

        WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN A PERVERT WHO WANKED HIMSELF BETWEEN THE THIGHS OF A 6 YEAR OLD CHILD, FOR 3 YEARS, SHOOTING HIS CUM ALL OVER HER & THEN RAPING HER WHEN SHE WAS 9 YEARS OF AGE?

        YOU WOULD!

        YOU DO!

        What Idols ??? Islam’s idols!
        http://prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/isaf-and-naila.html

        ISLAM: A BEDOUIN’S WET DREAM

        THE SEALED NECTAR OF ISLAM

        THE PERFECT MUSLIM

        And surely thou hast sublime morals
        (Surat Al-Qalam 68:4).

        Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar
        (Surat Al-Ahzab 33:21).

        Muslims believe that the Koran is the eternal word/laws of god to acts as a divine guidance for mankind about how to live a moral, righteous life. Prophet Muhammad, the highest perfection of human life and the prototype of the most wonderful human conduct in Islamic belief, emulated the guidance of Allah perfectly.

        PEOPLE (women) ARE LIKE CAMELS

        Bukhari (Book #76, Hadith #505)
        Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying,
        “People are just like camels, out of one hundred, one can hardly find a single camel suitable to ride.”
        Muhammad fantasized about baby Aisha before soliciting her from her father.

        Muhammad said: “I had a dream, a wet dream, about a little girl”!

        Sahih Bukhari 9.140 Narrated ‘Aisha:

        Allah’s apostle said to me, “you were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, ‘uncover (her),’ and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘if this is from Allah, then it must happen.

        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.18 Narrated by Ursa
        The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage.
        Abu Bakr exclaimed “But I am your brother.”
        The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she is lawful for me to marry.”

        *** Abu Bakr was so shocked at Muhammad’s proposal to marry his child Aisha of six years that he told him ‘but I am your brother’.

        This word ‘BUT’ which in Arabic is “INNAMA” brings out the true disbelief of Abu Bakr regarding the request, which of course turned out to be an unchallengeable demand.

        Abu Bakr’s shock is evidence that what Muhammad was demanding was against the social norms of even the pagans of 1400 years ago. Since his companions actually believed him as the messenger of Allah, Muhammad was able to fulfill each and every one of his fantasies, lusts & desires.

        Muhammad was able to receive alleged divine verses sanctifying his deeds with MADE to ORDER revelations from his accomplice, the ever obedient and willing Allah***

        Muhammad, 50, marries baby Aisha at age 6

        Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234

        Narrated Aisha: the prophet engaged (married) me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, um ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.

        …….she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some ansari women who said, “best wishes and Allah’s blessing and a good luck.” then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

        Bukhari vol 8, bk 73, no 151

        Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the prophet, & my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the prophet would call them to join & play with me. (the playing with the dolls & similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-bari page 143, vol.13)

        HOW TO THIGH

        WANKING BETWEEN THE THIGHS OF A CHILD!

        Now let us see how thighing is practiced on a female child & who began this evil practice. According to an official Fatwa issued in Saudi Arabia, the prophet Muhammad began to practice thighing his child-bride, Aisha when she was 6 years old until she reached 9 years of age (Fatwa No. 31409). The hadith mentioned the prophet Muhammad started performing literal sex with Aisha ONLY when she reached the age of 9 (Sahih al-Bukhari, book 62, hadith No. 89).

        Muslim scholars collectively agree, a child becomes an adult, available for sexual intercourse as soon as she reaches the age of nine. Likewise, the Shari’a allows any of the faithful to marry a six-year-old child.
        According to the fatwa, the prophet Muhammad could not have sex with his fiancée, Aisha when she was six due to her small size & age. However, the fatwa said that at age six, he would put his penis between her thighs and massage it gently because he did not want to harm her.

        Imagine a man of 51 removing the clothes of a 6-year-old girl and slipping his erect penis between her thighs, rubbing her until he ejaculated and his semen ran down her thighs. To this day, this is considered a benevolent act on the part of the adult male “not wanting to harm her.” What harm could be inflicted upon a young girl mentally and emotionally if not a grown man showing her his penis and stripping her of her clothes and rubbing his male organ between her legs?

        Of course the twisted mind that does such an evil to a female child, would not hesitate to ejaculate on her body. And if this sexually perverted evil frame of mind committed such an act upon a child, the pedophile would not stop at ejaculating on her. His evil desire would go further and rape the child before she was a mature adult. This is exactly what Muhammad did to Aisha when she was yet a child of 9.

        Before she reached puberty, he began to have sex with her. Let us see what the fatwa said about the prophet of Islam and his child-bride, Aisha.“Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar).

        The inquirer asked the following:‘It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs of children” which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha – the mother of believers ?’
        After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: ‘It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age.

        That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers’” (Fatwa No. 31409).

        Thighing of children is practiced in many Arab and Muslim countries, notably in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and the Gulf countries. Also evil practices like altamatu’a bil almuka’aba (pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts), altamatu’a bil alsagirah (pleasure from sexual contact with a baby girl), altamatu’a bil alradi’ah, (pleasure from sexual contact with a suckling female infant), (Reported by Baharini Women’s Rights Activist, Ghada Jamshir)

        AISHA WASHING SEMEN FROM MUHAMMAD’S CLOTHES

        From the Hadith of Bukhari:

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

        Narrated ‘Aisha:

        I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

        Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

        I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:

        Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:

        I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:

        Narrated ‘Aisha:

        I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

        From the Hadith of Bukhari:

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

        Narrated ‘Aisha:

        I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:

        Narrated ‘Aisha:

        as above (229).

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

        Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

        I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:

        Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:

        I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

        Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:

        Narrated ‘Aisha:

        I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

        Mohammed heard one of his wives was leaving him, so he rushed home where he found her on the carpet in front of the tent with her belongings; he sat down beside her & said, “I heard you were planning to leave me?”
        She replied, “Yes, I heard your other wives saying, you were a pedophile!”
        Mohammed thinks for a minute or so & then responds,
        “that’s a mighty big word for a 6 year old child.”

        THE PROPHET OF HATE
        Muhammad’s hate toward non-Muslims is most clear in his Qur’an.
        Non-Muslims are very unclean
        To Muslims, anyone who rejects Islam is Kafir. Or Infidel. In general, Muslims believe that a Kafir person is impure and untrustworthy. This is the Qur’an’s judgment about anyone who does not believe in Allah and his messenger Prophet Muhammad. Arabs of different faiths used to go to visit the sacred mosque in Mecca every year during specific times. When Muhammad became a political leader and conquered Mecca, it was time for him to take control over the non-Muslims with regard to their annual visitation to Mecca. Here is the Qur’anic Jewel:
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        YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
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        يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمُشۡرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ۬ فَلَا يَقۡرَبُواْ ٱلۡمَسۡجِدَ ٱلۡحَرَامَ بَعۡدَ عَامِهِمۡ هَـٰذَا‌ۚ وَإِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ عَيۡلَةً۬ فَسَوۡفَ يُغۡنِيكُمُ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضۡلِهِۦۤ إِن شَآءَ‌ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَڪِيمٌ۬
        Note that the Arabic verse has the word “Najisoon” نَجَسٌ۬ meaning very unclean. It is a word that equates the pagans with very dirty animals. It is not a nice word at all. It makes the Muslim feel he is a more than just a notch above the pagans in status. It also reduces the pagans to a lowly class of people not worthy of equality in human society. Viewing any non-Muslim as impure is established in Islam and in Muslim culture. It is consistent with the overall attitude of the Qur’an and Muhammad toward unbelievers. Even in our own day, if you are not a Muslim, you will not be allowed to go inside the great Mosque in Mecca.
        Non-Muslims are Inferior to Muslims
        Look at the following Jewel:
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        YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
        Muslims believe they are the best of people. They are the “chosen” ones, just like the Jewish people of old. But, alas, the Jews of old were disobedient, and so, the Muslims now believe they are the torch bearers:
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        YUSUFALI: Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).
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        YUSUFALI: Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.
        Thou Shalt Trust Them Not Heathens
        Since a tender age, Muslim children are taught not to trust non-Muslims. In general, Muslims can be friends with non-Muslims, but they will never put a high degree of trust in them. Here is the evidence from the holy book:
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        YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.
        Please note that the holy verse above is seeding in the heart of a child born to a Muslim family a negative picture about the non-Muslim. Non-Muslims are out there to “corrupt” the Muslim. They are out there to “Ruin” the Muslim. Their mouths are full of “Hate” toward Islam and Muslims. Or, could it be that the above verse is just saturated with evil. When you read it, can’t you just see “drops” of “evil” coming down?
        Christians and Jews want to take Muslims away from Islam
        Well, do you blame them? Islam is a religion of war. Its early history is full of battles. It is no more than humans killing other humans. Is this a religion you want be associated with? Muslims believe Christians and Jews are out there to “Get Them”. They are out there to take them away from their “precious” faith. The fact of the matter, no one envies Muslims on Islam. It is an evil religion that I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. But again, I probably would! Here is the Qur’anic Jewel:
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        YUSUFALI: Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: “The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.” Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
        When it comes to the Jews; like Hitler, like Muhammad
        The Qur’an usually talks about Jews and Christians as one group. However, Jews are favored by Muhammad as the “most violent” of people. And, as an added blessing, polytheists don’t escape Muhammad’s wrath either. Here is the Qur’anic Jewel:
        SHAKIR: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
        It is really important to understand the circumstances for Muhammad saying what he says. He wanted to kill other people, steal their possessions, and enslave their women and children. To do that, he had to resort to revelations that are barbaric and lack any decency of moral codes.

        CONCLUSION

        Muslims believe that people of other faiths (or no-Faith) are out there to get them and take them away from Islam. Other people envy them on such a blessed religion as Islam. This is a lie.

        No one envies Muslims on a religion that had its early days as a band of thugs killing other human beings and stealing the fortunes of others. Muhammad himself beheaded many people. Is this a prophet that civil people want to be associated with? The stories of Billy the Kid and Jesse James look like a walk in the park compared to the crimes perpetrated by Muhammad and his early band of killers and thieves.

        If you are a Muslim, don’t fool yourself. No one envies you on your religion and belief system. It is barbaric and inhuman. Don’t be fooled by billy goat bearded men who think they represent God and Muhammad on earth and go to a primitive building that does not even have chairs. They call it a mosque. To be honest, no one would want to wish “Islam” on his/her worst enemies.

        • Lucky bin ding ding dong, you are the BIGGEST KUFFER AND AN idiot. Your mind, just like your dick, is bent on hating Quran AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE THE SAME COPY PASTING OVER AND OVER FOR THE PAST one YEAR.

          I thought ALL Jewish rabbis and Christian Fathers who are bearded “think they represent God”. Did you know that before 1960, the beard was a sign of respect for a gentleman and ALL religious leaders used to keep beard? Do you know that ALL hindu Shree Shrees and Babas keep a goatee? Do you know that ALL the saints and even Jesus are depicted with huge goatees? Do you know that Abraham Lincoln had a big beard?

          This Western culture, which brought about gayship, started the trend of making a male look like a female …with effeminate behavior through nose piercings, wearing funny ladies’ clothings, swishy hairstyles and trimming or complete shaving of the beard.

          Islam is NOT “barbaric and inhuman”. You are frightened of Islamic expansion known as Islamophobia and wonder what will happen to other religions eventually. What if their practices were wrong and Islam is right? Islam started from a single person and today it has spreaded all over the world as it is the way of life and because you ARE A BLOODY KUFFER, you will purposely ignore it and race along with minority to malign it as you have been unwittingly doing over here.

          You have a sickness in your head that we pray is cured because you cannot express yourself without abusing another person. If you do NOT withdraw your repulsive language than I will respond in kind!

          • Please explain WHY Islam has become such a big organism… Then, I’d like to compare and contrast on the difference between how Islam “spreads” versus, say, Christianity? Where are the flocks of non-Muslims fleeing to Muslim countries to convert to Islam? They don’t exist, as Islam is a murderous totalitarian government, NOT a religion!
            As for Islamophobia… it is a word invented by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to push Sharia upon our freedoms. “phobia” is an irrational fear. Being afraid of true Islam is not anything even resembling “irrational”. Irrational is trusting it.

      • Your allah sounds to be very funny. He allows all kinds of pleasures even acts like a pimp to muhammed .I would be happy to have him if he supplies so many good girls young and old.lollll.

      • Please explain to those of us who are, or may be, ignorant of the Qur’an…
        Can you explain what effect, if any, the “Verse of the Sword” had upon every single one of the verses that you quoted? I believe that they were all abrogated by it. Am I mistaken? (I don’t believe so, but take a shot at that, please…)
        Another question for you: Would you denounce the Sharia for us please? If you think you can be a Moslem in a democracy or a democratic representative republic, you must know that Sharia is completely incompatible.
        (Just an FYI… The REAL reason that over 80% of Muslims don’t know the Qur’an, is because they became Muslims by choosing that over being beheaded after watching their wives and daughters get gang-raped. The resulting baby-boom, (all Muslim) and the widows and orphans are then “foreigner Muslims”. Think Indonesia… 210 million people, 8 of whom have seen a Qur’an. )
        The above quotes are from the verses Moe wrote while in Mecca… 13 years of trying to bring everybody together, and he left for Medina with less than 72 followers. 13 years, lol! But… when he got to Medina, he had a new philosophy! (All the ‘soft’ verses were canceled, and he taught to kill, rape, and pillage.)
        John… The Qur’an states clearly that “Allah is a deceiver, he is the greatest deceiver.”
        So… Plum… Either you don’t know your holey book very well, or you do, and you are trying to lie to further Islam… Which, please?

        • Oh…
          Don’t buy the lies:
          They consider the Qur’an and the Hadith’s to be equivalent. It’s just that they have been given permission to tell any lie to us kafir and infidels, so long as it advances the Nation of Islam in it’s takeover of the Nation of America… WAKE UP, PATRIOTS!!!!

  7. MOHAMMEDANISM

    STONING ADULTERERS

    Question:

    Are adulterers to be put to death under Islam?

    Summary Answer:

    Yes.

    There were several times in Muhammad’s life when he ordered people put to death when they had committed no crime other than “illegal” sexual intercourse.

    The Qur’an:

    Stoning is not prescribed in the current version of the Quran. According to Muhammad’s companions, a verse that did order stoning existed at one time but was forgotten. (See Additional Notes).

    From the Hadith:

    Bukhari (6:60:79) – Two people guilty of “illegal intercourse” are brought to Muhammad, who commands that they both be stoned. Apparently their act was out of love, however, since the verse records the man as trying to shield the woman from the stones.

    Bukhari (83:37) – Adultery is one of three justifications for killing a person, according to Muhammad.

    Muslim (17:4192) – Clarifies the different penalties for adultery (when the subjects are married), and fornication (when they are not): “in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year” (See also 17:4191)

    Muslim (17:4196) – A married man confesses that he has adultery. Muhammad orders him planted in the ground and pelted with stones. According to the passage, the first several stones caused such pain that he tried to escape and was dragged back.

    Muslim (17:4206) – A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Muhammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned (the description is graphic).

    Muslim (17:4209) – A woman confesses adultery and is stoned to death on Muhammad’s order.

    Ibn Ishaq (970) – “The adulterer must be stoned.” These words were a part of Muhammad’s farewell address to his people on the occasion of his final pilgrimage to Mecca.

    Islamic Law – “The stone shall not be so big so as to kill the person by one or two strikes, neither shall it be so small that it cannot be called a stone” The victim is intended to suffer.

    Additional Notes:

    The Qur’an uses the phrase “fornicators or adulterers” in Qur’an 24:2 and prescribes 100 lashes as the punishment (verse 4:15 suggests house arrest for “lewdness”). This almost certainly refers to unmarried sex only, since it would make little sense that fornication and adultery be prescribed the exact same punishment when they are very different offenses. It would also contradict the many examples from the Hadith in which Muhammad put adulterers to death. In fact, Muslim (17:4209) records a case in which an unmarried man is ordered flogged, while his married partner in crime is stoned.

    According to Umar, the companion of Muhammad and Islam’s second caliph, “[Allah] sent down the Book (Quran) upon him (Muhammad), and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him.” Umar went on to insist that “Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah’s Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.” (Muslim 17:4194)

    In other words, there was a verse in the original Quran narration that prescribed stoning adulterers, but it was left out of the compiling process in the years following Muhammad’s death. Umar’s insistence on the stoning verse is recorded in other volumes that are also among the most reliable Hadith, including Sahih Bukhari 8:817: “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, ‘By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah’s Book,’ and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse.” (Rajam refers to stoning).

    According to a strong tradition (found in Sunan ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith no. 1934), Aisha also recalled the verse that prescribed the death penalty for adulterers. It was written on a palm leaf that was in her home following Muhammad’s death. Unfortunately, a goat or sheep wandered into the house and ate the leaf (along with others) before it could be collected and merged into the other hodgepodge of writings that became the Qur’an.

    Islamic law (Sharia) requires that adulterers be put to death, since it was the example set by Muhammad. In practice, the women are executed far more often, since they are presumed to bear the burden of sexual responsibility (in Islam’s male-dominated society) and are, perhaps, more likely to confess their discretion. Rape victims are sometimes convicted if they speak out. Reporting a rape means a confession of adultery under Sharia law if four male witnesses cannot be found to confirm the victim’s claim.

    Unable to get around the fact that stoning adulterers is very much a part of Islam, apologists typically travel the familiar path of claiming that Christianity is no different.

    In this case, they could hardly be more wrong.

    Not only is the Old Testament rule of stoning anyone explicitly done away with by the example of Jesus (see John 8:1-11, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”) but the episode itself is proof that Christianity is not under the same law as Islam.

    While the teachings and example of Jesus stand between Christians and Old Testament law, Muhammad skipped straight back to the harshest of rules (which even the Jews of his day were reluctant to enforce so literally, as Bukhari (6:60:79) makes clear). As with so much else – from forgiveness to waging war – the contrasting personal example set by Jesus and Muhammad with regard to killing adulterers could hardly be more different.

    While many Muslims today do find the practice distasteful, there is simply no arguing that killing grown adults over consensual sex isn’t firmly rooted in Islamic theology. In fact, according to a recent fatwa, merely denying that is appropriate to stone married adulterers in the modern age is a sign of apostasy.

    Numerous examples of stoning adulterers under Islamic law persist, from the Islamist frontier of Somalia to the modern state of Iran. In 2010, the Taliban planted a couple having unauthorized sex in the ground and brutally pelted them with stones (the man had to be finished off with three gunshots) only a few days after they flogged a pregnant woman 200 times and then shot her in the head. In “condemning” the killings, the “moderate” president of Afghanistan would only say that they were wrong because they were not preceded by a trial.

    Likewise, a leading theologian in Iran defended a recent stoning sentence simply by reminding his audience that

    “Democracy, freedom, and human rights have no place in Islam.”

    • Lucky bin ding ding dong, the Quran does NOT mention stoning and the words “adultery” and “fornication” do NOT relate to only unmarried persons. Here you need to re-furbish your waning vocabulary!

      ALL hadiths are FAKE!

      • YO DUMB KUFFER PLUM,

        SOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

        99% OF MUHAMMADANS BELIEVE QURAN/SUNNAH/HADITH/SIRA.

        YOU ARE IN THE 1% & THEY USUALLY KILL YOU FOR SAYING QURAN ONLY!

        Quran cannot be understood without Hadith

        i. Introduction

        وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ

        54.17 And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

        وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ

        54.22 But We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

        وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ

        54.32 And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

        وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ

        54.40 And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

        You can see that this same verse is repeated in 54:22, 54:32 and 54:40. To enable mankind to take heed of the Quran, God has made the Quran easy to understand and remember. This is actually simple logic.

        If the Quran is the Book of Guidance for mankind then it must be user-friendly. And it is really easy to remember the Quranic teachings. It just sticks to your head.

        But the ulema insist the Quran cannot be understood without their ‘second only to the Quran’ collection of fake Bukhari hadith.

        A famous question that remains unanswered by the ulema is this:

        “Pick any hadith and then point out which verse of the Quran is explained by that hadith, and that the said verse cannot be understood without that hadith?’

        The ulema do not know. And yet the ulema say the collection of fake Bukhari hadith is ‘second only to the Quran’.

        And despite talking so much about the Bukhari Hadith, the ulema still have to admit that “there are few hadith which cannot be properly and understood adequately without reference to the often complex debates which have taken place concerning them between the scholars.”

        So now even the hadith cannot be understood without referring to the complex debates among the ulema. This must be a joke.

        The ulema say that without hadith you cannot understand the Quran.

        Now they say without their complex debates you cannot even understand their hadith.

        We are expected to believe that the Almighty God who created the universe, the sky, the animals and the humans will now have to depend on the complex debates between the ulema before the human being can understand their hadith before they can understand His Quran – God’s guidance for mankind.

        Well, now let’s look at some of those precious pieces of magnificence:

        ii. Insulting the womenfolk

        Bukhari Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490: (Hadith 1.490-Alim CD)

        Narrated ‘Aisha:

        The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman.” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.”

        [What a humiliating and disgraceful hadith – insulting the Holy Prophet (S)]

        Bukhari Hadith Serial No. 511-

        حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ خَلِيلٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِىُّ بْنُ مُسْهِرٍ عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ عَن مُسْلِمٍ – يَعْنِى ابْنَ صُبَيْحٍ – عَنْ مَسْرُوقٍ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ أَنَّهُ ذُكِرَ عِنْدَهَا مَا يَقْطَعُ الصَّلاَةَ فَقَالُوا يَقْطَعُهَا الْكَلْبُ وَالْحِمَارُ وَالْمَرْأَةُ . قَالَتْ قَدْ جَعَلْتُمُونَا كِلاَباً ، لَقَدْ رَأَيْتُ النَّبِىَّ – عَلَيْهِ السَّلاَمُ – يُصَلِّى ، وَإِنِّى لَبَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْقِبْلَةِ ، وَأَنَا مُضْطَجِعَةٌ عَلَى السَّرِيرِ ، فَتَكُونُ لِى الْحَاجَةُ ، فَأَكْرَهُ أَنْ أَسْتَقْبِلَهُ فَأَنْسَلُّ انْسِلاَلاً . وَعَنِ الأَعْمَشِ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنِ الأَسْوَدِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ نَحْوَهُ . أطرافه 382 ، 383 ، 384 ، 508 ، 512 ، 513 ، 514 ، 515 ، 519 ، 997 ، 1209 ، 6276

        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Vol 1. Hadith No. 493 Narrated byAisha

        The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.”

        The word used is فأكره – – From the root word أكره –

        And translated as “disliked” – the word in the Arabic lexicon is not that mild – It actually means : Hateful, Repugnant, Repulsive, Detestable.

        Bukhari Hadith Serial No. 514-

        حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ حَفْصٍ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبِى قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ عَنِ الأَسْوَدِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ . قَالَ الأَعْمَشُ وَحَدَّثَنِى مُسْلِمٌ عَنْ مَسْرُوقٍ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ذُكِرَ عِنْدَهَا مَا يَقْطَعُ الصَّلاَةَ الْكَلْبُ وَالْحِمَارُ وَالْمَرْأَةُ فَقَالَتْ شَبَّهْتُمُونَا بِالْحُمُرِ وَالْكِلاَبِ ، وَاللَّهِ لَقَدْ رَأَيْتُ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يُصَلِّى ، وَإِنِّى عَلَى السَّرِيرِ – بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْقِبْلَةِ – مُضْطَجِعَةً فَتَبْدُو لِى الْحَاجَةُ ، فَأَكْرَهُ أَنْ أَجْلِسَ فَأُوذِىَ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَأَنْسَلُّ مِنْ عِنْدِ رِجْلَيْهِ .

        أطرافه 382 ، 383 ، 384 ، 508 ، 511 ، 512 ، 513 ، 515 ، 519 ، 997 ، 1209 ، –

        According to this precious piece of magnificence from Bukhari, women are like dogs and donkeys.

        And It was hateful, repugnant and and aversion for Aisha (R) to sit with the Prophet (S) – Any more insults needed?

        Exactly which verse in the Quran is explained by this precious pearl?

        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.161, 162 & 163 Narrated byAbdullah

        The Prophet said, “I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai’a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa).”

        Bukhari Hadith Serial No. 7038

        – حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنِى أَخِى عَبْدُ الْحَمِيدِ عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ بِلاَلٍ عَنْ مُوسَى بْنِ عُقْبَةَ عَنْ سَالِمِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عَنْ أَبِيهِ أَنَّ النَّبِىَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ « رَأَيْتُ كَأَنَّ امْرَأَةً سَوْدَاءَ ثَائِرَةَ الرَّأْسِ ، خَرَجَتْ مِنَ الْمَدِينَةِ ، حَتَّى قَامَتْ بِمَهْيَعَةَ – وَهْىَ الْجُحْفَةُ – فَأَوَّلْتُ أَنَّ وَبَاءَ الْمَدِينَةِ نُقِلَ إِلَيْهَا » . طرفاه 7039 ، 7040

        This is Arab prejudice and racism against black women.

        Which verse of the Quran is explained by this hadith?

        The Prophet’s wives awoke late one morning. He said, “Many women who are dressed up in this world will be raised unclothed in the Hereafter” (Bukhari Kitabul Fatan 3:718).

        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.115/2.226/8.237/9.189 Narrated by Um Salama

        One night Allah’s Apostle got up and said, “Subhan Allah! How many afflictions have been descended tonight and how many treasures have been disclosed! Go and wake the sleeping lady occupants of these dwellings (his wives) up (for prayers). A well-dressed (soul) in this world may be naked in the Hereafter. “

        Bukhari Hadith Serial No. 115

        – حَدَّثَنَا صَدَقَةُ أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ عَنِ الزُّهْرِىِّ عَنْ هِنْدٍ عَنْ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ وَعَمْرٍو وَيَحْيَى بْنِ سَعِيدٍ عَنِ الزُّهْرِىِّ عَنْ هِنْدٍ عَنْ أُمِّ سَلَمَةَ قَالَتِ اسْتَيْقَظَ النَّبِىُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ذَاتَ لَيْلَةٍ فَقَالَ « سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ مَاذَا أُنْزِلَ اللَّيْلَةَ مِنَ الْفِتَنِ وَمَاذَا فُتِحَ مِنَ الْخَزَائِنِ أَيْقِظُوا صَوَاحِبَاتِ الْحُجَرِ ، فَرُبَّ كَاسِيَةٍ فِى الدُّنْيَا عَارِيَةٍ فِى الآخِرَةِ » . أطرافه 1126 ، 3599 ، 5844 ، 6218 ، 7069 –

        Why in heaven’s name would the women be Naked in the Hereafter?

        Which verse of the Qur’an is explained by this hadith?

        iii. A Housefly in your drink?? – what you should do.

        Bukhari Arabic Hadith #3320- حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدُ بْنُ مَخْلَدٍ حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ بْنُ بِلاَلٍ قَالَ حَدَّثَنِى عُتْبَةُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِى عُبَيْدُ بْنُ حُنَيْنٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ – رضى الله عنه – يَقُولُ قَالَ النَّبِىُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم « إِذَا وَقَعَ الذُّبَابُ فِى شَرَابِ أَحَدِكُمْ فَلْيَغْمِسْهُ ، ثُمَّ لِيَنْزِعْهُ ، فَإِنَّ فِى إِحْدَى جَنَاحَيْهِ دَاءً والأُخْرَى شِفَاءً » . طرفه 5782

        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.537 Narrated by Abu Huraira

        The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.”

        Bukhari Arabic Hadith #5782- حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ عَنْ عُتْبَةَ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ مَوْلَى بَنِى تَيْمٍ عَنْ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ حُنَيْنٍ مَوْلَى بَنِى زُرَيْقٍ عَنْ أَبِى هُرَيْرَةَ – رضى الله عنه – أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ « إِذا وَقَعَ الذُّبَابُ فِى إِنَاءِ أَحَدِكُمْ ، فَلْيَغْمِسْهُ كُلَّهُ ، ثُمَّ لْيَطْرَحْهُ ، فَإِنَّ فِى أَحَدِ جَنَاحَيْهِ شِفَاءً وَفِى الآخَرِ دَاءً » . طرفه 3320 – تحفة 14126

        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.673 Narrated byAbu Huraira

        Allah’s Apostle said, “If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i.e. the treatment for that disease.”

        The text reads:

        The Prophet said, “If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” (1) (Hadith No. 4: 537 in CD Alim)

        The same Hadith is also repeated in Volume 7 – with this very interesting footnote:

        (1) (H. 5782) Medically it is well-known now that a fly carries some pathogens on some parts of its body as mentioned by the Prophet (S), [before 1400 years approx. when the humans knew very little of modern medicine]. Similarly Allah (S.W.T.), created organisms and other mechanisms which kill these pathogens, e.g., Penicillin Fungus kills pathogenic organisms like staphylococci and others etc. Recently experiments have been done under supervision which indicate that a fly carries the disease (pathogens) plus the antidote for those pathogenic organisms. Ordinarily when a fly touches a liquid food it infects the liquid with its pathogens, so it must be dipped in order to release also the antidote for those pathogens to act as a counter balance to the pathogens.

        Regarding this subject.

        Dr.Muhammad M. El-Samahy chief of Hadith Dept. in Al-Azhar University,Cairo (Egypt), who has written an article upon this Hadith, and as regards medical aspects, he has mentioned that the microbiologists have proved that there are longitudinal yeast cells living as parasites inside the belly of the fly and these yeast cells, in order to repeat their life cycle, protrude through respiratory tubules of the fly and if the fly is dipped in a liquid, these cells burst in the fluid and the content of those cells is an antidote for the pathogens which the fly carries.

        The Prophet was an Ummi (unlettered) and there is no Revelation on this subject in the Qur’an. Could he have given such a Command “he should dip it” (in the drink) to his followers?

        If he really knew of these modern medical discoveries 1400 years ago, why was he inaccurate about the location of the antidote? (“..one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” – when the antidote is in the belly of the fly)

        Would the dipping of a fly in a cold. drink or glass of drinking water burst open the contents of its belly? [Unless of course you crush the fly in the drink).

        What about the bursting of other impurities, slimy materials and excretions those are normally stored in the belly of a fly?

        Would those who profess to believe in this hadith and its attending medical evidence be willing to carry out its instructions?

        And more importantly, can the faith of a Muslim be questioned if he or she thinks that the above narrations are either unsound or non-authentic and discards the fly or throws out the beverage instead of re-submerging and crushing the insect and drinking?

        Wonder how many of these overzealous maulavis, ulamas and followers would crush a fly in his or her drink!!!!

        • Dearest Lucky, hahaa thanks for making me laugh once more!

          You said : “Wonder how many of these overzealous maulavis, ulamas and followers would crush a fly in his or her drink!” heeheee…

          Maybe you are right in claiming that : “YOU ARE IN THE 1% & THEY USUALLY KILL YOU FOR SAYING QURAN ONLY!”.

          But I beg to differ on that!

          I am NOT a Quranist nor my personal beliefs matter here at all. An advocate may go to defence of a serial killer but that does NOT make the advocate a murderer too, does it?

          Lucky, I appreciate your views as I have learnt a lot from you. Thank you for that. Religions will remain religions. You take great personal risk knowing very well what the extremists can brutally do,….only that I would wish you to remain safe.

          I told you “may be you are right” because if I were living in an Islamic country like Pakistan I would have to adopt a pseudonym the way you do because the “Egg-Heads” would make sure to eliminate….just to exterminate that “somebody’ was becoming a threat to… to their fake teachings, a morbid threat to their leadership and their very existence! These are the Egg-Heads who assume ‘divine’ leadership with authority gotten from the illogical hadiths.

          I believe that all Hadiths are fake. The belief of hadiths has become so deeply ingrained in the mind of muslims, that the Quran is recited only in Arabic but hadith is literally spoken in the language of the commoners. Thus, the hadith has gained so much ground that some Muslims hardly know the Quran anymore. They just follow and follow the egg-heads who take advantage of the hadiths to enforce their own personal hatred of others. Do NOT think for one minute that those who kill the poor Shia pilgrims just come from the blue! Behind their devilish brutality is the mind of some evil egg-head.

          So the Question remains : What to do about those “egg-heads”? Should we fear them and allow them to continue with their planned atrocities and come to their defence in the name of Islam?

          Certainly NOT! These Egg-Heads should be exposed and then be eliminated. How do we expose them? First remove their source and that is hadiths which is the foundation of their evil ideologies!

          When there is NO hadith then the Muslims will come back to the Quran and NO Egg-Head will be followed.

          Quran is the summation of ALL Scriptures with very good Laws on morality and conduct. The Quran is NOT a religion but the best guidance for the whole Mankind!

          Even if, one follows his own religion, the guiding principles in the Quran are like the shining stars at night. Just read and adopt what is good. Islam is a WAY of LIFE taught by the Quran and those who follow that guidance of the Quran and NOT hadiths, are called Muslims.

          Yet they follow the hadiths…so can they be called Muslims?????

          And finally, thank you!……..by the way do you know where Lamu is? That is where we are going for my birthday!

      • Yu are a person trying to make Islam and muhammed good . Appreciate your endeavor. But it is not that worthy of a trial. He was bad and anyone who knows him will vouch it. Well if you believe Him be so and suffer after for all your convictions. I pity you.

      • You do not know yourself . My sympathy for you Plum. I know muhammed and quran are bad. They are nothing other than the inventions of satan. I have no second thinking on that .

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